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you're in the paracast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio

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and now

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so of course last week chris o'brien was

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off of the doctors being checked out for

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his pulmonary issues

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and i know our listeners have been

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concerned about your health chris is

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there an update for us well it's just

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know three steps forward uh two steps

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back i just can't be around

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secondhand smoke and uh you know we had

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some controlled burns here in the part

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of central arizona and it's up on the

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rim kind of

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east of flagstaff when the sun comes up

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in the morning there's a down slope wind

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so all that smoke flows down here

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so that may have been a contributing

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factor but um i'm feeling much better

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now so it's looking good

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good to hear good to hear now here's

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something we brought up last week when

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gogs makai was our

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guest co-host on after the power cast i

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want to bring it up on the power cast

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it bothered me and it's based on a post

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on facebook which we had from erica

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luke's

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and she referred me to it to look at it

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apparently there's a policy now at mufon

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where unless you are a paid member

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you can't see their database anymore

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have you heard anything about this

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hmm no i haven't uh that's an

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interesting development yeah it's a very

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annoying development because i think one

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of the big things we've talked about

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here in the power cast is the need for

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ufo organizations to share information

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if you make it proprietary

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how are you expanding investigation into

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this subject

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you know if you make it your own product

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to sell to your own people

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then you're just repeating the errors of

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the past and of course we never solve

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anything now to be fair because i don't

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want to just criticize move on

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and maybe i don't have all the details

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i wrote a message to jan harzan the

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head of mufon

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and i asked him what's going on and

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hopefully he'll give us an answer

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and we'll get a better sense

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of what's happening

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because

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as i said i'm pretty concerned about

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this imagine for example of peter

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davenport at the national ufo reporting

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center instead of opening up everything

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said now we're going to take memberships

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send me 50 a year and i'll let you see

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the database

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now i understand if you're doing

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something like we do here on the

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powercast we have a free show that

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everybody can download anywhere in the

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world and then we have a premium version

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without the ads and we have the after

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the power cast and we charge a little

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bit for it

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i think that's one thing i think maybe

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giving more tools to members

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is fine because you want to build a

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membership

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but the basic core information is not

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for 5 000 people

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it's for

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the entire globe

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my database has been available

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free of charge to the public for

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ever since i started compiling it

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i mean it's one thing where you write it

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and you submit an article and you say

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okay i'm going to get paid for this i

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deserve to be paid for my labor

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but the basic fruits of your research in

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a field like this it's got to be open

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i mean yes i understand for example

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if you investigate a sighting

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and you interview a witness and the

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witness says i don't want my name

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publicized

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and it's fair to say okay

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that name will be redacted it will be on

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the database only for me or my own staff

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but nobody else sees it

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privacy concerns

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but then what does that make move on a

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commercial business

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angle there they are a 501c3 so

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that certification what that means

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you're a non-profit corporation

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and what that means is

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that

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you have certain

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regulations and you can certainly sell

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things

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as a charitable organization

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to further your work

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but there are limits where you go

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beyond those limits you can no longer

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accept contributions from people who

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could write off their tax returns

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and i only pretend to know all the ins

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and outs of tax laws

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entire thing

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and i wait for a statement from jan

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whatever he has to say

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we'll quote him

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whatever he says

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what his position is

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and if it's not what we want it to be

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well we're going to criticize him this

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just a messy field just a messy messy

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feel is anything lately going on in the

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field of promise i heard of a book

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two people living in upstate new york

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where they're doing a lot of

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database and classifications of recent

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sightings have you heard much about it

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you know i have it's it's actually

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generated several uh mainstream

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newspaper articles including the new

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york times um

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it's uh

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evidently it's a compilation

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database collating together the mufon um

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database and peter davenport's uh

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national ufo reporting service database

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which is what of course we've called for

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the two together there is no it's a very

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cut and dried listing

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of date time

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location type thing there's no

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there's no real narrative that goes with

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each of the reports

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graphs and statistical analysis and

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stuff it sounds like something uh that

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could be a fairly interesting research

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but again garbage in garbage out

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um some of the cases are uh one would

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davenport are fairly discerning

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actually probably happened because um

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number to throw around about 10 percent

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those two organizations so

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iceberg and trying to

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the iceberg underneath the water the

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effective research tool especially uh

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um looking at possibly uh patterns of

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waves evident flowing of activity that

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a copy at some point um i'm kind of

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in solving the mystery it's obviously

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the power cast is

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databases are not considering the

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witness i had the discussion with bob

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spearing our guest last week

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and i had a couple of exchanges on

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facebook where i gave him some ideas

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because he's studying orange orbs

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and he's into statistics and he's done a

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if you tell me that witnesses have

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telepathic powers and may bring forth

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orange orbs or direct them so we'll see

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what he has to say speaking about what

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people have to say our guest today

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returned visit from my good friend allen

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greenfield and lately we've been talking

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about the multiverse and alan and i were

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so our guest this week is my old friend

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alan greenfield whom i've known probably

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for

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55 years

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my god

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it seems like yesterday

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yes it does

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and that's the interesting thing about

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the way time works you know i

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i keep telling younger people it goes

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real fast but it does it does indeed

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having an eventful life boy i was trying

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to explain to people when i was uh on my

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recent trip to israel that it had been

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53 years since i had been there

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and saying that in hebrew they would ask

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me to repeat it thinking my hebrew was

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bad because it wasn't but the fact is

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they thought i meant you know five years

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or yeah i mean

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that seems like yesterday too and it

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seems like you know i can remember the

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first letter you ever sent me it was

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doozy

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and i can remember the first time we met

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which was

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at one of those uh

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my new year's eve things i think uh yeah

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it's um

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that's a long time ago

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fortunately

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we've both stayed very young and are

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only in our mid-40s

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due to the uh integrity

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oops there we go again

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yes we haven't mentioned that machine a

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long time

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it seems like only yesterday day day day

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all right well the reason we're

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repeating ourselves we ran into a really

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really weird problem

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with our skype connection where chris

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was saying the word in it over and over

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again in a loop

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and he couldn't hear it you know we

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sounded normal

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and finally everybody restarted and it

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worked again

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and we think here that maybe some

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magical power has taken over skype and

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possessed it

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no that didn't happen oh well i'll give

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you a a serious comment that happens

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when i'm on a program more often than it

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should just by chance i mean there's

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whether it's a radio program or podcast

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or a combination there of

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i have a disproportionate number of uh

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fubar

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experiences of that sort i used to joke

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about it and say it's the men in black

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but

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some people can't wear watches and that

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is a real phenomenon that probably has

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some kind of electrical origin but

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i don't have that that problem in any

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other area but when i'm when i'm doing

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broadcasts or podcasts or

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internet casts or

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cast a giant shadow or whatever it

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happens

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fairly often in one way or another and

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it's always something real weird

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although i've never gotten in it before

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that's a tribe of people in alaska who

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believe in reincarnation the in it in a

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wit but uh yeah

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i'm going to apply the secret cipher the

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euphenots to that after after the

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program and see if in it means anything

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i can spell it several ways but i will

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try i-n-i-t

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you forgot the u

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that would be well that would not be not

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the way he was pronouncing it though

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we're going to go with in it not inuit

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if he was saying inuit i would say

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are you in alaska but i guess he's not

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so you mean you have to be in it to win

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it

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for the long count

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well before we count too long here

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let's just remind you that

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look at me

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and alan we've been here for so many

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years

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some people can't count that high

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and they work in washington but we can't

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talk about politics

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but we can think about it can't we

506
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i guess we can you know going back to

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the early days you and i

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and we've had some recent discussions

509
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here on the power cast with paul eno and

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other people

511
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about the source of paranormal events

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being the multiverse and alternate

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realities

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and things like that

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and i thought where did i

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start talking about that it's nothing

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new we've been talking about this for a

518
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long time

519
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i know that you and i allen

520
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we're having one of these all-night talk

521
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,039
sessions in new york city where people

522
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are out there at new year's eve

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and they're having fun

524
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and they're drinking and driving and

525
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doing all sorts of weird stuff

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and i didn't drink and then of course we

527
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were too young to drink so instead we

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talked

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about logic and reason

530
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do you remember alan oh yes i remember i

531
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also remember that you don't have to

532
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drink if you've been up for 48 to 72

533
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hours you're in an altered state of

534
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consciousness of some sort so uh

535
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and you know there were other people

536
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there too uh uh dave halpern was

537
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occasionally present and

538
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uh yonah

539
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her home that was

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uh occasionally present and uh jamosly

541
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was present often but of course he

542
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he did drink

543
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well the particular session i'm talking

544
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about it was you and i

545
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okay that was the long 72-hour session

546
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that finally got interrupted by your

547
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father coming to make sure you were tied

548
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up and being beaten i think that he was

549
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polite about it but he was clearly

550
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concerned about you

551
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,640
yeah i remember that distinctly and it

552
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was right around that time that i

553
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started to bring out

554
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something that i did for two or three

555
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years called alternate horizons

556
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newsletter which was devoted to that

557
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notion what i didn't have at that time

558
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was the physics involved in fact

559
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physicists didn't have that

560
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level of development the the notion of

561
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multiple universes was

562
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not a top-tier discussion in orthodox

563
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physics then

564
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it is now i have on

565
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one or the other of my blogs

566
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discuss that in relation to paranormal

567
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phenomena ufos

568
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cryptids everything including uh

569
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apparitions of the dead and apparitions

570
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of the living and so forth i've

571
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discussed it in terms of that and the

572
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interesting thing is

573
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when i'm talking about the

574
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much

575
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badly translated

576
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nephilim

577
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or something of that sort i get a huge

578
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response

579
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it's as predictable as clockwork when i

580
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talk about the underlying theory it's

581
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the problem i've had in the occult

582
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universe when i talk about underlying

583
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theory that can give us a handle on the

584
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mechanism by which these

585
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inexplicable events are at least in some

586
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sense

587
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explicable i get virtually no response

588
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at all i don't know whether it's the

589
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interest area or the

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level of expertise of my readers or

591
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whatever but i have a lot

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a lot of readers as you know

593
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alan greenfield the multiverse alternate

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realities and more and maybe some magic

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later on with gene and chris you're in

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i thought of course chris was going to

703
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say you're in it you're in it you're in

704
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it the power casper

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706
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you know somebody you're in it now

707
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you're in it now you're in it now

708
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you know somebody

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on

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shows and they said that we should not

711
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have hoodwinked

712
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nick redfearn into saying the power cast

713
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at the end of the segment

714
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and i thought i've known nick redfearn

715
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for like 10 12 years now

716
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and we're friends not super close

717
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friends but we're friends and if i ask

718
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him to do something if he doesn't want

719
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,760
to do it he'll tell me

720
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and he's happy to do it

721
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,480
and alan's going to do it too so there

722
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thumbing my nose and we don't do it 900

723
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,000
times each episode it's like 11. you

724
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,919
know there's a slight numerical

725
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,600
difference but i guess on youtube

726
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,120
there's a different reality

727
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,760
you're in the paracas you're fired that

728
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,039
seems to

729
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,120
work real well for some people let's get

730
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,039
back to the multiverse so the point here

731
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,520
is you can talk about the practical

732
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,840
effect but if you get into the theory

733
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,440
too much into the weeds this is where

734
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:36,880
you lose people

735
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,520
yeah i don't get that deeply into it i

736
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,600
mean uh you know

737
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for one thing facebook won't print out a

738
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,679
lot of the the the math that's involved

739
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:48,799
so

740
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,559
i i it's all just you know common

741
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:56,240
english uh i mean some of it is

742
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,919
ootray to a a total duffer but it it

743
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,600
shouldn't be

744
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,520
uh something that is beyond the

745
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comprehension of any reasonably

746
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,840
intelligent person even if not

747
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,480
previously exposed to it but they don't

748
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,279
want to hear theory in fact

749
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,240
in the magical universe i tried to

750
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,279
interest a the grand master of one of

751
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,679
the great magical orders of antiquity i

752
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,840
get tired of those terms

753
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,360
because they all claim to be great

754
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,840
magical orders of antiquity

755
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that antiquity can be shorter than our

756
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uh personal relationship actually at

757
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:39,120
this point but be that as it may

758
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,279
i i try to say well you ought to be

759
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,760
in in some broad sense

760
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,960
scientific about this you should

761
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,480
want to know

762
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,720
why you know first of all do these

763
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,039
effects that are claimed actually take

764
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:56,960
place that's important

765
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,559
uh extremely important and secondly

766
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,840
if they do why do they take place

767
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,080
i find in paranormal research they're

768
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,559
very interested in that in fact that's a

769
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,360
a fairly common topic these days

770
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,440
among paranormal researchers many of

771
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,640
whom are physicists in fact

772
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,480
there's a great book i think the name of

773
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it is how the hippies say physics and

774
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,720
they're not

775
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,200
young people anymore but back in the day

776
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when physics was sort of in a rut they

777
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proposed

778
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some of these

779
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,600
theoretical areas that

780
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,200
really really

781
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,679
seemed outlandish at the time and now

782
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,200
more or less

783
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,600
accepted as one of the variables that

784
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you have

785
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,159
they're interested

786
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:47,279
paranormal research really is research

787
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,039
the occult is more like a belief system

788
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,760
a practice and a belief system

789
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:54,640
um

790
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:58,159
and the same would hold true for uh

791
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,360
ufology and encrypted research and that

792
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,840
sort of thing there's

793
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:05,919
effort to find out if

794
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:08,799
do yetis exist

795
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,760
but if you have this long thing where

796
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,080
you have lots and lots of credible

797
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,600
sightings

798
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,600
but you have

799
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,520
zero credible

800
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,799
photos

801
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,120
i don't mean they're hoaxed i mean

802
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,200
they're they're debatable

803
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:26,960
and you have

804
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,799
zero explanation for what the what this

805
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,120
is you can't call it theorizing but we

806
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,679
can say expostulating is that the right

807
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,000
word on the subject

808
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,279
but no effort to find out what this

809
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:43,600
could possibly be

810
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:46,720
and that's a point of major frustration

811
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:49,360
it's also a major crusade with me i try

812
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:50,240
to

813
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,840
the possible theoretical underpinnings

814
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,240
which may explain all these things as

815
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,480
different aspects of one things

816
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,799
today i was doing one of the easiest to

817
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,559
laugh at unless you're in that

818
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,240
particular

819
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,320
new age universe

820
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,360
fairies i've been doing fairy lore for

821
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,840
the last few days i don't do it in a

822
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,720
namby pamby way i go back to w.i evans

823
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,440
wins and the folklorists of the 19th

824
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,679
century who collected a lot of this lore

825
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,360
from all over the world

826
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,880
that's something that you can just

827
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,279
either leave as wonder stories or you

828
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:28,880
can ask yourself

829
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,600
what are its similarities to for example

830
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:34,000
ufo abductions

831
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:41,760
and also what is the underlying if any

832
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,120
box that all of this is in

833
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,559
and

834
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:49,919
i don't go there anymore i've sort of

835
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,120
uh i may do something today this the the

836
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:56,399
the program may inspire me uh just the

837
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,559
name pericast is uh you know it uh sort

838
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,120
of reflects that uh

839
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,279
thing that i got out off and on for a

840
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:07,919
while called the paraufologists because

841
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:08,720
i

842
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:21,440
and uh

843
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:22,320
uh

844
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,399
in the gosh wow category

845
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,640
but the why and

846
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,919
is this

847
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,320
something that happens well there's

848
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:36,640
plenty of of

849
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,440
sightings and experiences it's

850
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,080
comparable to to ufos and some people

851
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,799
have even said it's really

852
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,159
uh

853
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,200
ufo humanoid lore

854
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,840
transposed to an earlier era which of

855
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,080
course doesn't explain why people still

856
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:56,000
see fairies

857
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,600
and elves and fawns and other denizens

858
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:00,640
of

859
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,399
theory in the spencer sense

860
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,399
so this is the point here

861
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we think there's some kind of

862
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,159
progression that it was fairies and

863
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elves and leprechauns

864
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:14,960
and now it's ufos and grey aliens and

865
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,560
that's a natural cultural

866
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,440
change as our pop culture accepts

867
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,839
different sorts of memes

868
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:26,560
our experiences reflect it but for still

869
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,440
seeing

870
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,679
fairies and other creatures

871
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:32,560
that kind of puts the lie to that right

872
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:33,520
yes

873
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,839
um i would have said as recently as

874
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five years ago maybe even more recently

875
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:41,679
than that

876
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,520
that um that we were seeing the same

877
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phenomena in in the dress of the culture

878
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that we live in

879
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and i think there is some some truth in

880
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that uh but i think that the fact that

881
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the classical

882
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,680
stories

883
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,680
are still out there though they don't

884
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,400
make news in the same way it's like a

885
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,640
few years ago i got tired of people

886
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saying why don't people see ufos anymore

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so i

888
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the lights in the sky and

889
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even you know things as inclu relatively

890
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,480
close encounters let's say close

891
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encounters of the second kind

892
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,520
uh cases i tended to ignore because it's

893
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all hat to us

894
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but

895
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,480
they those cases still happen all the

896
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:33,599
time so i started doing those and then i

897
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,870
a couple of things on fairy lore just on

898
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,800
very lower

899
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,599
and i discovered that

900
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:46,720
that

901
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,200
the classical fairy cases still go on

902
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,440
just as they did

903
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:55,760
hundreds of years ago or even thousands

904
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:59,119
of years ago and

905
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:02,000
yes there may be some extent to which

906
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,240
our the limitation in our senses

907
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,480
which are not developed for

908
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seeing beings from

909
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,359
other dimensions uh

910
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,880
they're there for

911
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,200
running from sabretooth tigers for most

912
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,440
of our evolutionary history

913
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um

914
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we we're just not adjusted to it we're

915
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going to see it somewhat differently

916
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than what it is i'm not sure that

917
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fairies are

918
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the fairies that people

919
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uh claim to see and i'm not sure that

920
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gray aliens

921
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there is a cultural element

922
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oh

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so much to cover with alan greenfield

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you're listening to the paracast the

1029
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so let's just continue with this here in

1030
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this discussion here about observations

1031
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:30,880
of fairies and whatever

1032
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,240
and ufos and grey aliens now you pointed

1033
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,599
out that even though it's not getting

1034
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,240
publicity people still see the fairies

1035
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:41,599
but maybe that's the cultural influence

1036
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,400
here

1037
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,480
people are afraid

1038
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to say that because

1039
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:47,760
if they do they're going to sound

1040
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,079
completely wacky or do you think that

1041
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,560
maybe some people who report

1042
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,720
seeing great aliens or having abductions

1043
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,119
are really experiencing the other stuff

1044
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,440
but they are afraid to say it

1045
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,839
well i think that that may be changing

1046
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:03,520
because

1047
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,040
the fairy lore was out of

1048
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,200
fashion in a sense these things are

1049
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,000
media driven i mean i think there are

1050
00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:14,000
ufo sightings

1051
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,760
pretty consistently every day

1052
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,040
365 days a year

1053
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:21,680
somewhere in the world there's one or

1054
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,720
more ufo encounters i think the same

1055
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:26,640
thing is true of fairy lore the

1056
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,079
difference is the media

1057
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:32,160
are focused

1058
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,599
on

1059
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:34,800
space

1060
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,880
stuff maybe not on the right now mars is

1061
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,720
very much under discussion and the

1062
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,800
cassini pro

1063
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,400
things of that sort

1064
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,240
they print things that are related to

1065
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:48,880
that they also in the mainstream media

1066
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,960
if that term still has any meaning in

1067
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,599
2017

1068
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,000
as opposed to the wacko

1069
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:58,960
media they feel comfortable saying

1070
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,400
something about a conservative ufo case

1071
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,440
or even you know something as that rises

1072
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,599
to the level of the betty and barney

1073
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:09,040
hill case

1074
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,640
they'll cover that

1075
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:11,599
but

1076
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,880
fairy lore leaves itself open to

1077
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,119
being laughed at in the way that

1078
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,280
ufo lore was laughed at in the early

1079
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,000
1950s with the little green men

1080
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:24,160
expression which actually comes out of

1081
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,079
fairy lord not a not out of uh ufo lore

1082
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,280
i can't think of a single case where

1083
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:33,839
ufo beings have seemed to be have seen

1084
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,960
been seen to be green but green is

1085
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:39,440
not only a common fairy color but uh

1086
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,280
green fairy is a euphemism for absinthes

1087
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:45,680
a very common one so

1088
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,800
it's a fairy lore notion that migrated

1089
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:51,839
to ufology point being the mainstream

1090
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,480
media let's say the cnn slash washington

1091
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,599
post slash new york times as opposed to

1092
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,480
the

1093
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,359
national inquirer or

1094
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,400
or worse you know that are

1095
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:08,720
not going to cover something that makes

1096
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,160
them seem frivolous or silly or whatever

1097
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,960
so there's an artificial

1098
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,000
dearth of such stories in the united

1099
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,119
states the interesting thing is

1100
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,359
fairy lore has a great deal of

1101
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,640
respectability in britain and especially

1102
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,680
in ireland and the the media there cover

1103
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:32,240
these cases and in fact uh

1104
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,280
the

1105
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,440
somewhat more abundant ferry

1106
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,680
investigation society which was set up

1107
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:40,319
in the 1930s

1108
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,160
has

1109
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:44,000
reactivated and

1110
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,720
put its old files on online and is

1111
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,839
investigating new cases now but we have

1112
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,680
nothing comparable to that in the united

1113
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,480
states at this point because we although

1114
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,800
there are there is plenty of fairy lore

1115
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,560
in native american

1116
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,119
myth and legend and so forth and people

1117
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:05,200
see fairies here

1118
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:06,160
there's

1119
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:10,319
no tradition in the usa or canada of a

1120
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,240
respectable investigation of fairy lore

1121
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,720
also the nordic countries iceland

1122
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,400
norway denmark sweden

1123
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,960
there's also a very strong tradition of

1124
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,960
elementals and

1125
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,400
trolls and

1126
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680
all sorts of kind of unique

1127
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,839
humanoid type forms that

1128
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,760
go back into prehistory

1129
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,040
i did a book called stalking the

1130
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,599
tricksters and they're i wanted to do an

1131
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,760
entire chapter on elementals in the

1132
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,920
ferry or figuring that most of the

1133
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,680
chapter would be in those countries in

1134
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,920
europe uh very little i it was mentioned

1135
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,800
actually because i had so much uh a

1136
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,480
north american

1137
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,640
lore from native american traditions

1138
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,640
every major group of

1139
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,440
native americans has a rich tradition

1140
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,960
tradition of

1141
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,160
of of

1142
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,480
fairy type entities uh uh small

1143
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,680
diminutive

1144
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,960
uh humanoid uh type type uh entities

1145
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,839
that

1146
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,839
uh yeah i was just amazed at how many

1147
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,599
there's dozens and dozens and dozens of

1148
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,000
different types uh mentioned in

1149
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,800
in the histories of native americans so

1150
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,800
so it is i think a more of a universal

1151
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,480
thing and you're right there is very

1152
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,680
little

1153
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:21,040
acknowledgement

1154
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,160
of the subject

1155
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,440
even in this country yeah and uh what

1156
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,760
little you get is

1157
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,119
basically

1158
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,760
quaint native american stories in the

1159
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,640
same

1160
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,359
category as navajo prophecy you know

1161
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:38,480
once in a while that will get

1162
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,480
an almost tongue-in-cheek uh

1163
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:43,599
mention

1164
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:48,000
but i think it's important to to to say

1165
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:48,960
that

1166
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:53,520
i get reports since i do you know uh

1167
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,960
publish on fairy lore and took the risk

1168
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,200
although i found out i was taking no

1169
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,960
risk at all at least not with my

1170
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,280
audience because

1171
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,680
excuse me my friends

1172
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,160
in the facebook universe you don't have

1173
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,160
subscribers well you have subscribers

1174
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,880
too but you have friends so i have

1175
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,599
5 000 friends which would be nice if

1176
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,040
that were

1177
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,400
true but uh 5 000 subscribers

1178
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,000
and then another

1179
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,520
2

1180
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:25,839
people who are actually call subscribers

1181
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,560
because 5000 is the limit on the number

1182
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,040
of friends you can have just

1183
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,920
a policy that dates from when facebook

1184
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,920
was a dating thing at harvard i think

1185
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,119
but uh

1186
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,440
i'm probably mangling the history of

1187
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,760
facebook slightly there but be that as

1188
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,119
it may

1189
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:45,119
i i found that

1190
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,119
fairylord gets the same kind of uh

1191
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,160
respect as ufo lore

1192
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:54,560
which is to say quite a bit

1193
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,839
and uh what doesn't get respect is when

1194
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,880
i

1195
00:48:01,550 --> 00:48:00,240
try to

1196
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:01,560
look into

1197
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,119
explanatory things my best

1198
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,520
effort in that direction

1199
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,079
has been to refer people to a hundred

1200
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,720
and some odd-year-old book by edwin

1201
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,440
abbott which is available as a free pdf

1202
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,000
among other ways but which i read when i

1203
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,069
called flatland which

1204
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,839
which

1205
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,599
sort of talks about

1206
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:29,680
geometry but

1207
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:30,720
is not

1208
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,800
it's an amusing short book about how a

1209
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:36,319
two-dimensional

1210
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,240
being would perceive a three-dimensional

1211
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,839
intelligence

1212
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:43,119
and

1213
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,079
it's

1214
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,079
remarkably ahead of its time because

1215
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:49,119
it's dealing precisely with the

1216
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,880
the the the concept that i'm i'm talking

1217
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,680
about which is we're dealing with things

1218
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,359
that are

1219
00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:59,839
the late jim mosley put it as the four

1220
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,280
and a half d theory i'm not too keen on

1221
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,440
that notion i prefer

1222
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:08,640
the more scientific terms but basically

1223
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,240
something that comes from a more

1224
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,640
complex or at least

1225
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,359
very different universe

1226
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,079
that overlaps with our own

1227
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:23,040
and ordinary everyday

1228
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,400
modern

1229
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,630
and i would presume um you know if you

1230
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,559
if you did a study of

1231
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,319
today's native american people

1232
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,599
particularly the traditionals that are

1233
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,599
uh that uh

1234
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,400
speak the native american languages and

1235
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,400
as a first language and live on the

1236
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,480
reservation of which they are i guess

1237
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,359
that's about 50 of the

1238
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:51,760
surviving native american population i

1239
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,880
imagine they continue to have

1240
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,960
uh

1241
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,160
they continue to have um experiences of

1242
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,000
this sort but so do

1243
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,040
suburban soccer moms if

1244
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,440
there is still such a thing

1245
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:08,720
so um

1246
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,920
it uh it's a it's a universal thing it

1247
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,599
just doesn't have the same

1248
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,200
acknowledgement

1249
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,520
there are

1250
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,400
new agey people which i'm sure all three

1251
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,720
of us know some of

1252
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,480
who believe

1253
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,119
everything and fairies are fine with

1254
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,839
them but it's like an unquestioned

1255
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,520
notion like

1256
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,319
my first thing upon

1257
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,200
uh seeing a fairy would be what is this

1258
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,920
am i seeing it accurately can it be

1259
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:41,680
photographed

1260
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,720
can it otherwise be detected in some

1261
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,920
semi-objective way

1262
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,119
and

1263
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,480
if it's really there what is it

1264
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,280
what does it represent and that's not

1265
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:57,119
what most people

1266
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,400
do they're

1267
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,400
more concerned about

1268
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,440
uh the subjective experience which is

1269
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:05,599
understandable and

1270
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,319
enjoying that and generally speaking in

1271
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,720
the us

1272
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:15,040
new age movement

1273
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,559
the friendly fairies and uh as i think

1274
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,400
you would know christopher if you've

1275
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,680
looked into the

1276
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:23,599
the material from the scandinavian

1277
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,000
countries in iceland uh there's lots of

1278
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,640
darker fairy lore

1279
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,319
let me break you here guys we got more

1280
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to come with alan greenfield

1281
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:37,200
and fairylore and more with gene and

1282
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:53,750
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[Applause]

1331
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:09,680
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1332
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:13,280
standard of paranormal radio

1333
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:14,559
and now

1334
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:17,880
here's gene steinberg

1335
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,270
we're hearing a mysterious spiritual

1336
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,800
voice from

1337
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,760
a

1338
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:27,280
weird entity

1339
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,319
called

1340
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:31,839
the green field or something green green

1341
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,040
field field field

1342
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:36,720
there actually was an echo there that's

1343
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,800
strange okay strange strange

1344
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,000
well

1345
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,040
yeah uh fairies rarely say anything like

1346
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,520
gray aliens things things

1347
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:49,440
things things they say no things they

1348
00:54:52,790 --> 00:54:50,400
say

1349
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,800
in it it in it

1350
00:54:56,790 --> 00:54:54,960
it's their key word you know nobody

1351
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,800
understands what we're talking about

1352
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,800
here because they never heard the loop

1353
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,079
that chris's voice was in on skype but

1354
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,040
it was there honestly for where for 15

1355
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:07,920
minutes gene was twiddling knobs and

1356
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,800
recalling and re-dialing and

1357
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,520
and christopher was just like a fragment

1358
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,280
of a sentence and he probably doesn't

1359
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,760
even know what the sentence was

1360
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,160
something was in it in it in it and it's

1361
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,480
in it in it in it

1362
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,880
yep something of that sort wait a minute

1363
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,960
somebody on youtube is going to write oh

1364
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,960
that episode the power cast with that

1365
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,680
guy greenfield all they said was in it

1366
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,559
12 000 times no christopher was saying

1367
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,880
i'm in it for the money

1368
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,720
it was not supposed to be on the air to

1369
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,559
begin with right

1370
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,440
what money because as we all know

1371
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,319
it's a big money maker for each and

1372
00:55:52,589 --> 00:55:49,520
every one of us we live lavish lives

1373
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:52,599
because of our books and

1374
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,000
broadcasts and lectures and

1375
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:58,880
we go all over the world living in style

1376
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:01,920
right right oh i'm talking about beckley

1377
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:08,390
and beckley is the first person to claim

1378
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,799
that he has no money he never has any

1379
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,200
money and then when you go out with him

1380
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,599
he takes out his american express card

1381
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,160
which is a higher level of credit

1382
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,480
and doesn't seem to really care

1383
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,400
about that i think he lives two lives

1384
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,480
the real tim beckley

1385
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,960
who has a second home somewhere

1386
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,400
and they still have the family home i

1387
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:30,160
think in new brunswick new jersey as a

1388
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,520
matter of fact he lives in new york in a

1389
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,680
rent-controlled apartment and then you

1390
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,000
have the beckley who has no money

1391
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,680
and never has enough

1392
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,520
and never sells enough books to pay for

1393
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:42,720
the cost of production the point is

1394
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:47,359
almost all of his income is derived from

1395
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,200
uh ufo related things mostly stuff that

1396
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,119
isn't nailed down by copyright but

1397
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:55,920
nevertheless it does provide a service

1398
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,720
and i don't think he lives lavishly but

1399
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,200
i think he is probably the only person

1400
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,240
that i

1401
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,640
am aware of except maybe stan friedman

1402
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,359
who's ever made a a living at it and

1403
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,760
apparently friedman was only able to do

1404
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,079
it for a limited period of time i don't

1405
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,559
think beckley has made a

1406
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:16,960
fortune but i think he has been a

1407
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,760
professional ufologist since he was

1408
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,520
13 or so

1409
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,359
yeah he lives in the same place for

1410
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,960
maybe 40 years

1411
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,559
it's a rent control department in new

1412
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,880
york city not in a great neighborhood

1413
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,400
but i used to work down the street from

1414
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,000
him for many years

1415
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,400
and i kind of think here about this rent

1416
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,079
control thing in new york how many

1417
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,559
people took advantage of it like i know

1418
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,319
chris and i talked about this during

1419
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,079
after the power cast

1420
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,319
last year's passing of the

1421
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,599
cult character horror film host john

1422
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,000
zackerly who became prominent in new

1423
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,640
york for the host of horror films and

1424
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,559
originally in philadelphia

1425
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,880
he actually recorded a couple of records

1426
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,799
one of which became like a you know a

1427
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,640
top 20 smash or something like that

1428
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,240
called dinner with drac

1429
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,319
and for all these years

1430
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,319
he lived in the same apartment on west

1431
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,040
96th street for like 50 years and it was

1432
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:11,119
a rent-controlled apartment for like 250

1433
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:12,319
dollars

1434
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,920
and he spent like

1435
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,920
the remaining years of his life he died

1436
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,880
in his 90s living at that place because

1437
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:20,640
to leave there

1438
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,359
good or bad any other place would have

1439
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,440
cost him 10 times as much

1440
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,319
yeah well that's the argument for and

1441
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,960
against the notion of rent control but i

1442
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:32,319
think that is

1443
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:35,839
pretty well unique to new york city and

1444
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,760
is probably pretty well justified in

1445
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,400
that new york is

1446
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:45,280
a relatively tiny space

1447
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,000
that has eight million people in it and

1448
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,640
more than that on a daily basis that you

1449
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,240
know come in and

1450
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:54,880
and leave for the the shores of new

1451
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,319
jersey so

1452
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,880
uh and elsewhere so um

1453
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:01,040
it really would be outlandishly

1454
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:05,119
expensive if it were just allowed to um

1455
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:06,000
to

1456
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:07,599
settle at whatever

1457
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,559
level the market will bear now the way

1458
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:12,799
it works here is that

1459
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,000
as soon as someone leaves the place

1460
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,880
vacates that apartment they can rent it

1461
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,720
at market value

1462
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:23,520
yeah so it's an interesting scam anyway

1463
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,440
let's get back to other interesting

1464
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,280
things because we shouldn't worry about

1465
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,880
whether or not we're going to become

1466
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,440
rich and famous because you and i allen

1467
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,200
are too old

1468
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:34,720
for that i think

1469
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,760
and i don't know people live longer now

1470
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,200
yes

1471
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,839
i'm still planning on going to mars but

1472
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:43,599
uh

1473
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:46,640
so did you place a collect call to elon

1474
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,599
musk

1475
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,400
to get on that one-way trip

1476
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:53,040
no i don't want to do a one-way trip

1477
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:54,480
i want to visit

1478
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,079
i want to live there

1479
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,359
um

1480
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:59,520
let's go back to our weird subject here

1481
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,160
the phenomenon we're dealing with here

1482
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:04,640
going to mars isn't weird

1483
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,760
well i guess we are in the 21st century

1484
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,760
right i mean you should have been to

1485
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:12,319
mars already look at 2001 they already

1486
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:13,359
had gone

1487
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,240
beyond mars by then i think we're in an

1488
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:19,200
alternate reality where it didn't happen

1489
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:22,480
that was a projection based on the speed

1490
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,640
of the u.s space program in the 1960s

1491
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,559
particularly after kennedy was

1492
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,520
assassinated it was like uh

1493
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:32,880
of

1494
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,480
the national goal to get to the moon and

1495
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:38,880
based on that had

1496
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,079
uh uh the the same amount of funding and

1497
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,280
enthusiasm continued there would surely

1498
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,839
have been before the end of the 20th

1499
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:49,839
century there sure there surely would

1500
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:53,599
have been a base on the moon a classical

1501
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,559
space station and probably

1502
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,280
at least visitations to mars it just

1503
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,000
didn't continue basically we got to the

1504
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,280
moon the russians having been beaten

1505
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:07,680
sort of got out of the business at least

1506
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:10,720
as a front burner thing and we got out

1507
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:13,520
of the business because

1508
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,400
uh

1509
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:17,280
partly because americans get tired of

1510
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,240
things and also because there was no

1511
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:21,920
longer this

1512
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,799
beating the soviets to the to the moon

1513
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,200
to prove something so

1514
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:29,839
uh the space program has moved at a much

1515
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,960
slower pace this uh entry of

1516
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,119
billionaires into

1517
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,359
space research is an interesting

1518
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,760
development we'll see what happens

1519
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:42,079
when they god forbid but one could

1520
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:43,680
reasonably expect that they have their

1521
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:46,880
first real disaster you know that's

1522
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,240
that could put the kibosh on that but uh

1523
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:52,400
i expect that uh

1524
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:53,440
um

1525
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:54,640
oh

1526
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,520
it's possible should we be blessed with

1527
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,920
really long lives that we will live to

1528
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,200
see people

1529
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,359
uh go to mars

1530
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,599
but it's a

1531
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,920
is that out of

1532
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:10,559
have we reached so far that

1533
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,520
in the early 1960s when we started we

1534
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,599
thought that ufos might be from a

1535
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,920
martian civilization

1536
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,119
down to

1537
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,960
as far as we know

1538
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,359
the only civilization on mars is what

1539
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:24,960
we've sent there

1540
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,079
i mean that's a huge

1541
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:30,240
a huge uh

1542
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,040
acceleration of of

1543
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,200
our understanding of the universe it

1544
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:37,920
hasn't proven anything but i think it's

1545
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,400
absolutely remarkable and

1546
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,040
that's no longer in our category it's

1547
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,240
like when the psychical research society

1548
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one of its original interests was

1549
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hypnotism but hypnotism went mainstream

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so they

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for better or worse and they dropped it

1552
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:59,040
as a subject for paranormal research

1553
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because

1554
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,040
it wasn't considered to be paranormal

1555
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,119
here ufos have become very much

1556
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,119
mainstream

1557
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:08,880
obviously

1558
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,920
but you know ufos as spaceships

1559
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:13,760
ghosts are mainstream because we have

1560
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all the reality shows and the movies and

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01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,119
things like that

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bigfoot's kind of sort of mainstream i

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01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,720
guess so

1564
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:22,960
that having occurred

1565
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,319
do we go back to older phenomena or deal

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with it or consider

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what that means for us we've got alan

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if you're in it in it to win it now

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yes with short attention span i'm not

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01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:29,279
that lengthy

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01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,080
at least what i say is you know uh

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01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,080
spontaneous and of the moment i'm not

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01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,839
reading anything and i don't even have

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01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:38,239
any notes in front of me i do have a

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01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:39,520
picture of you

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01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:40,319
and

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01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,279
an indication that christopher is made

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01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:45,759
of carbon dioxide because it just says

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01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,880
co and a blue circle

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01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,400
um so

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01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:52,400
well that's funny because

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01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,520
when i look at his avatar on skype i see

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01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,000
him smiling which is a rare commodity

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01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,640
wearing his glasses having a short beard

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01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,359
i see you illuminated by all sorts of

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01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,279
strange special effects

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01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,359
that that exemplify

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01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:09,359
what i am right

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01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,960
well if i see you in person that's how

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01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,960
you look i know that you know i'm a

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01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,120
testifying to that what you see is what

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01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,239
you don't get now all seriousness aside

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01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:20,000
here let's get back to this the fact

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01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,920
that ufos are mainstream ghosts bigfoot

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01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,640
we have a cultural meme about that

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01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,120
is that dictating our reality or we're

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01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,359
just reaching that conclusion because

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01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,759
that's where the cookie crumbles or

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01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,040
whatever

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01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,080
i think on the one hand i'm

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01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,719
not unhappy that these things have

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01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:42,799
become mainstream

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01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:47,120
but i am unhappy with the decline

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01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,960
in the level of serious research

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01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:52,960
i hate to say it because back in the old

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01:09:56,790 --> 01:09:55,679
days they were my mortal enemy but mufon

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01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,800
does

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01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,159
pretty serious

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01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,320
much more open-minded stuff than they

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01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,360
used to do but other than that i mean

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01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,480
all of this stuff on tv is

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01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:08,560
above the level and i'm talking about

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01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:10,159
ghost lore

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01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:11,760
and

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01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:16,560
god help us ancient alien

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01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:21,760
lore and it's very very very superficial

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01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:24,640
it's stuff that we we went through

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01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:27,520
uh 50 years ago and there

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01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,360
it's in the gosh wow category the ghost

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01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,120
the ghost hunters that

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01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:34,960
that carry around

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01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:38,800
a uh infrared camera and uh something to

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01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:40,920
measure temperature changes and

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01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:43,600
electromagnetic effects

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01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:46,480
and their qualifications are

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01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,520
what i i think the most famous guys are

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01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,080
plumbers that's what they do for that's

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01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,560
their day job and there's nothing wrong

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01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,520
with being a plumber but uh that hardly

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01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,280
qualifies you to do

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01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,840
the kind of quality research that was

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01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,159
done in the heyday of the society for

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01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,040
psychical research when you had

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01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,760
distinguished scientists

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01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:11,520
doing

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01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,080
in-depth research and analysis from a

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01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,080
basically skeptical

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01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,080
standpoint so that when they came up

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01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,719
with one that they said

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01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,960
this is the genuine article whatever

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01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,199
that may mean

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01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,360
you could take them at their word on the

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01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,000
other hand these guys on tv i don't i

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01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,239
don't watch these things on any kind of

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01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,800
regular basis but they they get freaked

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01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,480
out if they see something that they

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01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,199
think is real you get that

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01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,840
well we're beyond that kind of approach

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01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:45,840
to things or should be

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01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,400
so to answer your question

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01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,640
yes we need to look back to these

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01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:52,960
previous uh

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01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,120
cases and and and uh earlier research

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01:12:02,149 --> 01:11:59,760
simply because it was better research

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01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:02,159
there's a whole host of uh every one of

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01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,000
the areas we've discussed there's a

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01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:07,600
whole host of uh victorian era late

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01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,640
victorian era uh research

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01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:12,880
uh and you can also include the the

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01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:15,679
occult and occult phenomena uh in in

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01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,800
that category that was like from 1875 to

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01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:20,000
the

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01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:27,440
really quality

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01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,480
investigators doing quality

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01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,600
work and publishing and

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01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,800
now you have pop culture while it's good

1780
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,800
that people are aware of these things

1781
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:40,719
and aren't afraid to talk about their

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01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:43,280
experiences in the way that they

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01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,239
they were back in the day the downside

1784
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,800
of that is the quality of the research

1785
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,400
is so low

1786
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:52,960
that it's very hard on a second-hand

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01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:54,800
basis to say well this was well

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01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,360
researched and found to be

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01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,080
something paranormal well the problem

1790
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:02,880
also with these reality shows is

1791
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:05,840
it's not reality it's a scripted drama

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01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:08,719
where they're using improvised dialogue

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01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:10,960
and that's all it is and so they have to

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01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,199
fill 43 or 44 minutes plus commercials

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01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,800
hopefully get a high enough rating so

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01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,360
the advertisers are happy and pay the

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01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,520
rates for the up fronts

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01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,120
that's where the

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01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,520
advertisers buy all or most are

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01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,320
advertising on tv and cable shows

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01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,080
and that's all they care about

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01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,159
they have to have their equipment they

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01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,560
have to have their night vision goggles

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01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:36,800
and that's it there's no reality there

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01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,760
because as i said it's a scripted drama

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01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:41,840
it's more scripted than you may realize

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01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:44,880
even the guests are are scripted

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01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:47,760
i don't get on invited on the the tv

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01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:51,040
shows anymore because i've said this in

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01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,960
several places but i don't believe i've

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01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,320
ever said it

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01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:57,199
uh to you or to you to your listeners

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01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,480
but uh

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01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:00,159
but it's a very interesting thing

1815
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,760
because it's a direct personal

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01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,280
experience

1817
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:06,560
i did several programs uh for the

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01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:10,239
history channel i did uh two episodes of

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01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,480
ufo hunters which is now gone and uh i

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01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:16,880
did ancient aliens with reluctance

1821
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,239
because i was then in my mid 60s and the

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01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:22,880
notion of

1823
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:25,520
being mistaken for an ancient alien was

1824
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:29,600
really not something that i cared to do

1825
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:33,520
and then i did brad meltzer's decoded

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01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,360
where brad meltzer never appears it was

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01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:38,000
one of the first episodes so the three

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01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,440
people who actually

1829
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:40,800
did the show

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01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:44,239
were there and i was uh

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01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,120
i think they paid my way to to to new

1832
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,199
york which was good because my eldest

1833
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,520
son was at that time living

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01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,120
and his wife were then living in new

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01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,360
york so i got to see him

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01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,719
and

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01:15:02,229 --> 01:14:57,920
they

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01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,239
invited me to come out to liberty island

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01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,199
and do an interview so i thought okay

1840
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:08,159
we'll do an interview and it was this

1841
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,920
illuminati masonic uh stuff which i know

1842
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:14,400
about i mean that's within my area of

1843
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:16,080
expertise

1844
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:17,040
but

1845
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:18,719
at one point

1846
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,600
first of all when i get out there

1847
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,360
i had trouble finding them because they

1848
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,520
didn't have anybody waiting at the ferry

1849
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,600
for me that's first first and only time

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01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:30,239
i've ever been on liberty island

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01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,000
and then i see the three people they're

1852
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,080
sitting at a table and i sit down with

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01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,280
them and i have a

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01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:39,440
i'm dressed for the occasion which is to

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01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,960
say

1856
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,360
dressed like a man in black i had on

1857
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,159
shades i had on a black shirt a black

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01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:48,159
tie with a red i mean you know i was

1859
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:50,320
just doing the thing

1860
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:51,920
and they didn't say anything about it

1861
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:55,280
that was that was fine with them and uh

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01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,400
they

1863
01:16:01,910 --> 01:15:58,880
asked me some questions

1864
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:01,920
and about uh is the statue of liberty

1865
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:04,800
copied from the colossus of rhodes or

1866
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:09,750
and then they start going into this

1867
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,760
masonic conspiracy thing well i don't

1868
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:16,480
freemasonry is many things

1869
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,520
but it isn't a conspiracy it's it's

1870
01:16:23,350 --> 01:16:21,760
these days it's a bunch of old men who

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01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:23,360
get together and

1872
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,640
apparently

1873
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,640
don't much like women

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01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:28,719
all right

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01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:31,600
don't much like women hmm we'll get into

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01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:32,960
more of that more

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01:16:40,810 --> 01:16:35,120
with alan greenfield with gene and chris

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[Music]

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seen my fair share of celebrities get in

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01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:26,719
okay so we ended the previous segment

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with the words don't much like women

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01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:32,640
alan greenfield what are you referring

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01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:36,480
to in freemasonry it's restricted to

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adult men

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and can they even do that legally

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anymore

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yeah their private organization

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in fact in southern jurisdiction the

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largest jurisdiction in the world and

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01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:50,960
southern jurisdiction

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isn't confined to the

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former confederate states of america but

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until very very recently first of all

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01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:01,840
they didn't recognize prince hall

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masonry which is predominantly black

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although

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01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:07,440
the grand lodge of england which is the

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01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,960
mother lodge of regular freemasonry i

2008
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,360
did recognize them and they had

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01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:16,000
no black members which is why there was

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01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:18,080
a prince hall masonry or at least part

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01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,360
of the reason

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01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:21,920
so they have much to answer for but

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01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,880
being the conspiracy to rule the world

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01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:27,360
or the current version is the reptilian

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01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,840
conspiracy which sounds a lot like the

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01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:31,840
international jewish conspiracy to rule

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the world that's simply not who they are

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01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,360
i have great experience with that and as

2019
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:39,600
i said they have much to answer for but

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01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,239
not that anyway so they get around to

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01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,239
talking about the fact that there were

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01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,679
three people involved in the

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01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:48,000
construction of the statue of liberty

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01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:50,639
and it happens they were all freemasons

2025
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:52,560
well that may or may not have been

2026
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:54,639
coincidence but in fact before

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television before radio before movies

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01:23:02,390 --> 01:22:59,760
men's clubs

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01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,400
flourished so it's not that unusual that

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a frenchman and two americans or you

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01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:05,600
know

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01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:06,400
were

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01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,840
members of the regular freemasonry

2034
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,679
then they asked me a question they're

2035
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,199
working their way up to it and they

2036
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,080
asked me so do you think this pagan

2037
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,400
statue should be torn down

2038
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,239
and i was just taken about by the

2039
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:22,719
question first of all if i believed that

2040
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,280
i wouldn't say it on a on a television

2041
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,600
program i don't want to go to gitmo but

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01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:29,120
secondly i thought the idea was

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01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,080
outrageous i mean and i said what i

2044
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:35,120
thought i said i subscribe to the poem

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01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:39,199
by emma lazarus the new colossus that's

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01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:41,920
at the base of the statue

2047
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,480
so many millions of people have sailed

2048
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,800
by that statue

2049
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,199
looking for freedom and opportunity i

2050
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,520
would never even consid

2051
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,159
i did very well in answer to an

2052
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:57,120
unexpected question well they cut my

2053
01:24:03,629 --> 01:24:00,560
answer out and they found some guy

2054
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,639
who had this bitter

2055
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:06,000
conspiratorial attitude

2056
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:07,040
and they

2057
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:09,840
right after what i said

2058
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:12,960
they cut what i said out on that subject

2059
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:14,960
and he said yeah it needs to be torn

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01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,520
down because it's a pagan statue

2061
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,760
whatever that means

2062
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:22,080
i thought well that's creative editing

2063
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,440
and then we got through with the

2064
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,520
interview which you know if it were

2065
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:28,000
intact or somewhat intact it would have

2066
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:29,120
been fine

2067
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,800
but then they said wait a minute we've

2068
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:33,280
got to show you coming to the island and

2069
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:34,719
i said pardon me

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01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,920
thinking

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01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:37,600
i'm not

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01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:38,520
in

2073
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:45,520
not that i can't but that

2074
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,639
that's not

2075
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,480
not something i'm qualified to do

2076
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:50,639
particularly in a union state

2077
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,760
but they had me go back to the ferry

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01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:55,520
stand on a mark

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01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,400
walk forward like i'm looking for them

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01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,320
to a second mark

2081
01:25:04,870 --> 01:25:03,120
and then find them you were an actor

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01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,880
playing a role there

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01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,960
right while that happened i had an

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01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:08,560
epiphany

2085
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:11,199
if they do this with everybody

2086
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,360
that's on these programs including the

2087
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:16,239
guy with the hair whatever his name is

2088
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,440
then this is acting this is not

2089
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:22,080
interviews in the sense that cnn

2090
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,679
interviews somebody although they

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01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:24,960
probably

2092
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,320
you know do have their questions uh they

2093
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,000
have their ducks in a row in advance it

2094
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,040
runs too smoothly not to but this is

2095
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:34,960
acting outright

2096
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,159
so the second episode of ufo hunters i

2097
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,560
won't even go into the first one which

2098
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,719
showed me in germany which is a country

2099
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,800
i would never step into

2100
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:46,320
be that as it may

2101
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,840
they took me for

2102
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,880
no reason that i can think of to utah i

2103
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,320
think it had to do with one of their

2104
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:54,239
other guests it was just convenient so

2105
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,560
they flew me to utah put me in a nice

2106
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,719
hotel gave me some

2107
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:00,480
food you know i had nothing to complain

2108
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,360
about

2109
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,520
paid me a fair

2110
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:05,760
amount for a couple of days work then

2111
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,159
they take me out to this place in the

2112
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:10,800
desert with two vans

2113
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,760
and

2114
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:13,440
they say okay

2115
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,800
i want you to meet our investigators

2116
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,960
which i already knew and had done a

2117
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:20,800
previous program with

2118
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,080
by driving up to their van getting out

2119
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,000
and shaking hands with them and showing

2120
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,520
them your evidence

2121
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:28,800
you know it's interesting here about

2122
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:29,920
driving

2123
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,040
normally

2124
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:33,280
you hire a professional driver to drive

2125
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:35,600
the vehicle so it looks perfect and i

2126
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:39,040
said uh there's one problem here i don't

2127
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,639
drive and i don't have a driver's

2128
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:42,480
license

2129
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,920
and they were just

2130
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:45,520
uh

2131
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,400
in the van pretend to drive get out of

2132
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,560
the van walk towards them and you meet

2133
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,920
in the middle and

2134
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:55,920
show them your evidence and that never

2135
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:57,760
got on the air but

2136
01:27:02,149 --> 01:26:59,920
i think some little part of that did but

2137
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:02,159
the interview itself was totally

2138
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,199
separate was was at the hotel with and i

2139
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,280
have no complaints about that but again

2140
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:08,880
that's acting

2141
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,600
that's purely dramatic thing first of

2142
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:14,159
all it was after the real interview and

2143
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,679
secondly it's

2144
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,320
presumably they wanted to to to make

2145
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:20,800
this appear like with a background in

2146
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:21,679
the

2147
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,400
investigators and

2148
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:28,880
tell them the truth about flying saucers

2149
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:30,880
or whatever i was telling

2150
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,239
the ufo hunters the truth about with uh

2151
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,800
bill burns you never know how truth is

2152
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:37,920
defined

2153
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,440
this pilot is said to have said what is

2154
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,360
truth

2155
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,679
i don't know but i tell you what's fake

2156
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,280
that was fake

2157
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,159
and that's just two examples of the four

2158
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:53,360
times i've done these programs

2159
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,800
and i had the bad grace to mention that

2160
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,040
online i have not been invited back

2161
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,080
since i had become kind of a regular but

2162
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,400
i was calling a spade a spade i don't

2163
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:06,159
really you know

2164
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,120
i'm not an actor if they want me to

2165
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:11,360
act then they really need to be doing

2166
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,719
something

2167
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,480
different because

2168
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:16,639
that's not my thing

2169
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,639
now what is union scale because we have

2170
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,880
to think about that too for an actor

2171
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,880
appearing in a one-hour show

2172
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:24,639
and saying more than five lines or

2173
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:27,600
whatever the limit is well yeah the five

2174
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,239
lines i don't know exactly even though

2175
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,719
my eldest son is a screenwriter and a

2176
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,520
member of the the guild but i i don't i

2177
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,120
don't know with actors because i'm not

2178
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,000
an actor but i do know that

2179
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,800
i wouldn't get union scale because i'm

2180
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,320
not in the union

2181
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:47,280
but on the other hand

2182
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:50,239
on that particular occasion the one in

2183
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,480
on liberty island

2184
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:54,320
they gave me 25

2185
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:56,080
i mean they paid for the trip they gave

2186
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,120
me 25 in cash

2187
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,000
and enough money to take a taxi back to

2188
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:04,400
my hotel which they were also paying for

2189
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:05,120
so

2190
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,270
if you were a member of aftra

2191
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,719
you're a member

2192
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,159
of the union

2193
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,159
and you walk in there

2194
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:22,159
would they have not selected you if you

2195
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:23,920
tell them by the way i'm a member of the

2196
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,470
my guess is

2197
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:32,560
that they would would not have invited

2198
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:33,520
me

2199
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:36,719
however my guess also is this guy that

2200
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,600
they have on regularly on ancient aliens

2201
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,760
he's had to join the union i mean

2202
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,000
depending on what what state he's it

2203
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:46,159
even even doesn't matter what state he's

2204
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,040
in

2205
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,199
um

2206
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:51,840
he probably has been obliged to join the

2207
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:54,639
union because clearly he's

2208
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,159
uh acting for them but you know uh

2209
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,320
interviews are in a wait a minute hold

2210
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:02,159
on hold on timeout

2211
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,480
that's uh i have a very good way to

2212
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:06,719
check that out

2213
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:08,800
david childress who's been on the show

2214
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:11,920
as much as giorgio has not been asked to

2215
01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,639
join any unions i can pretty much

2216
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:16,400
tell you that he lives across the street

2217
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,040
from me i'm very close to him

2218
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,080
but uh i don't think that um

2219
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,719
a non-fiction show

2220
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:26,639
such as ancient aliens requires

2221
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:29,440
principles to be part of sag

2222
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:32,159
let's go into this more detail and we

2223
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,360
have some questions from our listeners

2224
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:35,520
of alan greenfield on some totally

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so the key being here of course from

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what chris says is

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this supposed to be like a news show a

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away with not paying your union scale

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you're not acting you're not a performer

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even though you are chris we do have

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some questions of alan greenfield would

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you like to dig out a few

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in a totally different field and let's

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i was in israel when kennedy was

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assassinated you can't blame me

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okay

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pretty highfalutin ones here william

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strathman who's been a poster

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at the paracast here for uh almost two

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years he's one of uh our questioners who

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post their questions at

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forum.theparacast.com

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where our listeners and uh readers of

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the paracast forum get to challenge our

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guests or compliment them or

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just find out uh interesting facts and

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here's an interesting question

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alan in your view does reality originate

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from a deity who is the ultimate source

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of all

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for example or at its most fundamental

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is reality simply an inner mindless

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material driven by randomness out of

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which emerged the universe that includes

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us observers of it and our flawed

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conjectures about deity or do you have

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another view

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put it this way

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would you give me the first part of the

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question again i want to see if he used

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the word believe

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uh he didn't

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okay

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i don't believe anything that the word

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belief

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and the word faith

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are not part of my

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universe

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oh man i don't know how many times i've

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heard myself say that they used to mean

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faith comes from the latin word meaning

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fidelity and belief comes from a similar

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uh source but in the last two or three

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hundred years it has come to mean blind

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faith uh blind belief and i just

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if there isn't evidence i can speculate

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i can have allegiance

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those are things that don't require

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belief or faith they require a judicious

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judgment on my part as to what is and is

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not true

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that would apply to patriotism or

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spiritual beliefs or

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spiritual say i get caught in it too

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spiritual views or anything else

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having said that i have been in

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so many different wacky areas

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all my life that people tend to think

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that i am a neopagan which i've been

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identified with in

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in in books the late margot adler so

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identified me in her drawing down the

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moon which was a very popular book in

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its day because i say i don't have any

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beliefs if they if a uh

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it's assumed that i don't think there is

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anything

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supernatural but the strange thing is

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and coincidentally or synchronistically

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just yesterday i was talking to my

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youngest son randall about the need for

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first cause

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and nothing that i've heard from the

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naturalist community

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satisfies me as to

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how there could

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be a

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universe in which

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there was not a first cause because

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cause and effect is like you overthrow

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the whole idea of science if you have an

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instance where there's no cause there's

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just a fact

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having said that i will i'll give the

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the best answer that i have ever come up

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with which amounts to this

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though i have strange views on many

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things and i'm very flexible

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i was born into reform judaism

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i have lived in it comfortably through

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all of my occult and

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ufological and

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science fiction and other interests

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01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:33,280
and i am still comfortably a reformed

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01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:34,159
jew

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uh if you want to know what reform

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01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:38,840
judaism is about it's judaism

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01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:41,679
light although not as light as it was

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01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:43,199
when i was a kid

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01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:44,719
and

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01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:49,360
i prefer to say that i have allegiance

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01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:51,360
to the idea

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01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,920
of a supreme being that is outside of

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01:40:03,350 --> 01:39:57,280
reality

2449
01:40:05,590 --> 01:40:03,360
believe it because i have no

2450
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,600
direct evidence of it

2451
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:06,480
but

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01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:09,520
that's sort of the reformed jewish uh

2453
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:11,600
default position and that's the position

2454
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,199
that i hold

2455
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:15,760
there are some special considerations in

2456
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:18,639
judaism about that that i i'm not going

2457
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:21,360
to go into in any detail that have to do

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01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:24,320
with that's also a part of the national

2459
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:26,880
identity so i have allegiance to the

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01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:29,040
entire national identity i'm

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01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,760
a zionist and uh i think that i am not a

2462
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,119
fundamentalist believer in the bible or

2463
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,840
anything else but i think that there is

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01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:40,639
a

2465
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:51,119
question here

2466
01:40:55,990 --> 01:40:54,159
uh again william strathman wants to know

2467
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,000
if you practice some sort of venerable

2468
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,639
defined system of magic let's say uh do

2469
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,239
any sort of um

2470
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:02,639
tree of life workings the the kabbalah

2471
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:06,480
or uh do you do any any sort of mystical

2472
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:10,560
uh judaic uh sort of magical practice

2473
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,760
well you threw in judaic there and i've

2474
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:16,080
sort of followed the general magical

2475
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:17,760
practice

2476
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,560
have i done tree of life workings yes

2477
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,639
with other people i've even done very

2478
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,440
elaborate ones back in my days in one of

2479
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,239
the great magical orders of antiquity

2480
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:30,719
where i um

2481
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:34,480
i was the master of uh

2482
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:38,480
of a lodge in that organization and we

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01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,920
had

2484
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:41,920
can you mention which organization that

2485
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:42,880
might be

2486
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:49,270
no no no i am

2487
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:53,199
i am 10 years out i was a ranking member

2488
01:41:58,390 --> 01:41:55,280
and i uh

2489
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:58,400
i broke with the oto over some very very

2490
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:01,040
fundamental things and would call myself

2491
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,760
a free illuminist which is right do it

2492
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:05,280
thou wilt should be the loophole of the

2493
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,159
law uh do what bill will shall be the

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01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,679
whole of the law which is

2495
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:12,480
the problem in the oto

2496
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:20,149
yes and he's gone with the win or should

2497
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:20,880
be

2498
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:24,560
no i i i i really learned a lot

2499
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,840
from my 20-year experience with the oto

2500
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,360
but most of it is

2501
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:31,840
negative stuff namely that if you're

2502
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:34,000
rotten at the core you're probably going

2503
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:36,639
to have a rotten tree but

2504
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:39,760
i really try to avoid going into too

2505
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,880
much of my particular uh problems with

2506
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,119
the oto because i've moved on from that

2507
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,520
i'm a free aluminist i belong to a

2508
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,400
worldwide confederation of

2509
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,719
free illuminists and we do

2510
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:55,280
a lot of the same things that

2511
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:56,719
that the

2512
01:43:03,030 --> 01:43:00,639
so-called aaa and the so-called oto do

2513
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,040
but um

2514
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,199
nobody's in charge we don't charge

2515
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:07,760
anything for anything that we do

2516
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,080
and we really don't have any corporate

2517
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:12,639
existence we just have the common goal

2518
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,000
of higher illumination but anyway when i

2519
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:18,239
was i might as well say it exactly when

2520
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,320
i was the master of euless lodge oto

2521
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,880
euless lodge number 10 oto incorporated

2522
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,080
it was the only one that was

2523
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:28,400
incorporated separately um

2524
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:29,920
because at one time they thought that

2525
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,480
that was a good idea or

2526
01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:34,239
the late grady mcmurtry thought it was a

2527
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:36,840
good idea anyway um

2528
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:40,000
we i got saddled at the beginning with a

2529
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:43,600
very expensive lodge haul and

2530
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,159
i found that we were doing less magical

2531
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,080
work and more fundraising work than

2532
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,159
anything else so i said no

2533
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,400
uh i've got a scrounger

2534
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:54,639
uh her name is jenna

2535
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:58,239
and i said jana scrounge a cheap place

2536
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:00,719
that's that's on the rapid transit line

2537
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:03,040
and like that she found a place hundred

2538
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:04,880
bucks a month for this

2539
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:07,760
huge dance studio which we

2540
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,040
which we use we shared it with a a dance

2541
01:44:15,270 --> 01:44:13,199
class they used it by day we used it by

2542
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:15,280
night and we had what was called the

2543
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:17,119
lodge in a box

2544
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:19,520
which is we had this big box

2545
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:21,280
if you're in the oto you probably know

2546
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:22,800
what the box

2547
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:23,760
is

2548
01:44:29,669 --> 01:44:25,760
but in the box was everything you needed

2549
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,679
to to work any oto degree up through the

2550
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,040
sixth degree

2551
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,360
and we could just i had this team of

2552
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,360
people that could put it together and

2553
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:38,159
take it apart in 15 minutes on either

2554
01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:39,360
side of it

2555
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:42,400
but sometimes we just did

2556
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:44,800
programs and since we had a thousand

2557
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:48,800
square feet of floor space

2558
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:56,070
across the entire floor

2559
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:57,600
in chalk

2560
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:58,719
and

2561
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:01,119
i put people who

2562
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,719
seem to represent the various uh uh

2563
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:06,960
spheres or saphira

2564
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,000
uh

2565
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:10,560
yeah the sephirah um

2566
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:13,440
uh in the different things and we did a

2567
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:16,719
complete who was kether

2568
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:18,639
uh i don't remember and that's

2569
01:45:22,870 --> 01:45:21,040
interesting i don't remember i mean who

2570
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:22,880
was ben ah

2571
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,280
we'll have an answer and more in our

2572
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:27,440
next segment with alan greenfield and

2573
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:41,990
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[Applause]

2627
01:48:02,629 --> 01:47:58,960
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2628
01:48:07,170 --> 01:48:02,639
standard of paranormal radio

2629
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:07,180
and now here's gene steinberg

2630
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:12,629
what happens here is i think chris gets

2631
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:14,800
tired towards the end of the show

2632
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:16,960
and his voice then gets

2633
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:19,760
weirder now i was channeling my inner

2634
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,800
crowley or crowley

2635
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,639
i think him yeah holy crowley if you

2636
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,199
think of fowley

2637
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:29,440
are you now or have you ever been in the

2638
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:30,480
uk

2639
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:33,440
i played the magical fifth

2640
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:34,400
okay

2641
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:37,600
well technically you're not in the otl

2642
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:39,440
and tell you the seventh degree that's

2643
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:41,199
something they don't emphasize you're in

2644
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,440
the end if you haven't been a dues

2645
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:45,360
paying member i guess that kind of

2646
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:47,119
counts against you as well

2647
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:49,199
well after a certain amount of time they

2648
01:48:52,790 --> 01:48:50,639
drop you from the rolls and if you're

2649
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,800
just a minerva they really drop you from

2650
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:55,360
the rolls i i've developed my uh my

2651
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:58,719
magical uh training uh let's say

2652
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:02,000
a little bit past the mineral stage

2653
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:03,040
okay

2654
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,199
well most people

2655
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:07,520
almost all of the money

2656
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:10,480
is provided by minerval through third

2657
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,520
degree

2658
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:14,400
because people drop away somewhere in

2659
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,719
there more minerals than anything else

2660
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:18,960
the one statistic i wasn't able to get

2661
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:21,280
even when i was a grand lodge officer an

2662
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,239
exempt from any dues was how many people

2663
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,239
have passed through the minerval degree

2664
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:29,040
i suspect it's something like 20 30 000

2665
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,800
people yeah oh

2666
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,159
that's that's probably a conservative

2667
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,719
estimate yeah it is it's deliberately a

2668
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,480
concern i'm sure those those records are

2669
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:38,080
at tahuti somewhere

2670
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:39,679
agape somewhere

2671
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:41,760
yeah you try to get them though they

2672
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,800
used to keep immaculate records and

2673
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:46,960
after my big criticism of them they

2674
01:49:52,390 --> 01:49:49,360
started to use charts and things like

2675
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:52,400
that as if they were copying what i had

2676
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:54,400
criticized them for

2677
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:57,440
but i have never seen a list of people

2678
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:00,080
who have been in and out in minerval and

2679
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:03,280
oto dogma states that if you leave at

2680
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:04,560
minerval

2681
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:07,199
you are as if as if you had never been

2682
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:10,159
in of course that's not true you've your

2683
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:13,040
money is not cheerfully refunded and

2684
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:15,280
well in terms of magically speaking yeah

2685
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,320
all minerva is is a statement of intent

2686
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:20,159
it doesn't mean that you're acting upon

2687
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,639
it well it has an oath that that makes

2688
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:24,480
you lie but that's neither here nor

2689
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:25,360
there

2690
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,800
we're not going to go into that

2691
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:29,360
territory i think where i was going was

2692
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:31,600
yes i've done tree of life workings with

2693
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:34,719
real people and i've done them privately

2694
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:35,679
as well

2695
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:37,679
what was the stumbling block you said

2696
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:39,840
have you worked with jewish kabbalah and

2697
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:43,119
there is a vast difference between

2698
01:50:48,149 --> 01:50:45,199
what is more properly hebrew kabbalah

2699
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,159
the kabbalah that came out of spot in

2700
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:49,920
israel and the

2701
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:52,800
medieval kabbalists and earlier well

2702
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:54,400
there is a difference but you're the one

2703
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:56,239
that's you're the one that answered the

2704
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:57,920
question about deity

2705
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,639
with saying that uh you know you are you

2706
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:02,639
were raised and steeped in in reformed

2707
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,280
judaism and so i kind of added the uh

2708
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:07,600
the spiritual sort of hebrew kabbalah

2709
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:10,080
aspect to it just to see how how deep

2710
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,800
you have ever actually dove into and

2711
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:14,960
studied your own the underpinnings of of

2712
01:51:19,830 --> 01:51:17,679
the judeo-christian uh religion

2713
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,840
most christians don't realize that their

2714
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:22,080
christianity is steeped in

2715
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:24,960
in uh esoteric uh hebrew uh

2716
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:26,639
mysticism

2717
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:29,440
absolutely but so is freemasonry

2718
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:33,760
the thing is it's bad hebrew mysticism

2719
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,480
if you know hebrew and you know the

2720
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:37,679
history of

2721
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,440
you should talk to a traditional jewish

2722
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:44,000
cabalist and what they think about what

2723
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,320
they would call christian kabbalah which

2724
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:49,360
probably doesn't fit the mto exactly but

2725
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:51,920
crowley's hebrew was abominable it was

2726
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:55,280
based on von rosenroth's book and his

2727
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:59,119
otherwise useful book 777 he

2728
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,760
really really doesn't get even what the

2729
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,199
hebrew letters

2730
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,760
mean he gets what the glyphs are but not

2731
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,760
what the the meaning of the letter is

2732
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,520
well the gematria the gamak the

2733
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:11,679
information and the gamatras is

2734
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:14,159
invaluable for anyone who's interested

2735
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:17,440
in uh in mysticism just in general right

2736
01:52:21,589 --> 01:52:18,960
let me put it this way this is the

2737
01:52:24,870 --> 01:52:21,599
easiest way i can clarify on a personal

2738
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,880
level when i go into a voting booth i

2739
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:26,400
don't go in

2740
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:30,000
as a reformed jew i go in as an american

2741
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,040
my attitude towards the oto and towards

2742
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:35,520
the occult in general

2743
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:36,960
is

2744
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:41,760
not a

2745
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:49,510
when the oto egc started to blend and

2746
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:50,719
say that

2747
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,920
thalima is a religion to which i said

2748
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:56,000
what just what the world needs another

2749
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:58,960
gd religion

2750
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:00,800
we don't have enough we need another

2751
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:04,159
arab state and we need another religion

2752
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:05,920
in the world that's just what the world

2753
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:08,080
needs right yeah so

2754
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,040
so there's there's that and then there's

2755
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:13,360
i never regarded my experience in the

2756
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,400
oto as a religious it was philosophical

2757
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:18,800
and it was philosophical inquiry that's

2758
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:21,920
what used to be billed before bill

2759
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:22,960
and

2760
01:53:27,350 --> 01:53:25,679
i i think that it might have religious

2761
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:27,360
implications

2762
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,760
was not jewish a couple of the current

2763
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:34,960
uh

2764
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,560
muckety mucks in in the oto are of

2765
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,719
jewish background but i don't know of

2766
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:42,239
any except

2767
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:44,320
a mortal enemy of mine who i won't

2768
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:46,239
mention who well they would never they

2769
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,719
would never claim that as as as a

2770
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:50,719
foundation of their of their spiritual

2771
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:51,840
beliefs

2772
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,280
right and it's not and yet the lima is a

2773
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:57,760
religion and the oto is an arm of the

2774
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:01,280
religion according to the revision of

2775
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,960
the bill period of the last 15 years and

2776
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:07,119
when that happened that's when i started

2777
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,320
to make my exit that was not the only

2778
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,560
reason that the hierarchy itself the

2779
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,480
fact that they could make decisions like

2780
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:16,880
that without taking a vote on it for

2781
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:18,800
example that that

2782
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:21,040
i don't think you can can blend

2783
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:22,560
authoritarianism

2784
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:25,040
or any kind of dogma religious or

2785
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:27,679
otherwise with the experimental work

2786
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:29,920
that gets done in magic when i do a tree

2787
01:54:34,709 --> 01:54:32,080
of life working i am not

2788
01:54:36,629 --> 01:54:34,719
seeking some particular result i don't

2789
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,639
assume that if you your person in

2790
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:38,639
catheter falls over backwards that they

2791
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:40,960
are going to go to the iron

2792
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:43,760
and become at one with the the young

2793
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:45,520
have of a

2794
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:46,880
ultimate

2795
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:50,480
deity beyond all things i just that's

2796
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:52,560
not in my mind my mind is let's see what

2797
01:54:56,070 --> 01:54:53,760
happens

2798
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:56,080
and we'll go from there and the same

2799
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:58,239
thing for a nokian workings which i have

2800
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:01,280
done a great deal of and which i think

2801
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:04,719
is a portal to other dimensions and that

2802
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,320
you know that's a whole

2803
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:09,119
other area that links the things we've

2804
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:10,800
been talking about for most of the

2805
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,480
program

2806
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,719
and the work that i've done in the

2807
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:16,960
magical community because

2808
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:20,400
magical invocation or evocation

2809
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,159
definitely is

2810
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:25,119
creating a portal to other wear

2811
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:27,360
and one can come up with the most

2812
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:30,639
remarkable phenomena and

2813
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:33,440
one should remember to always

2814
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,040
learn exorcism and closing

2815
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:39,440
yeah yeah careful what you wish for i

2816
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:41,199
didn't determinate

2817
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:44,320
yes i even have reason to suspect that

2818
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:45,280
the

2819
01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:48,880
portal that was opened in 1946 by

2820
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:50,239
jackson

2821
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:52,880
none other than ron hubbard and uh our

2822
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:55,199
good friend jack parsons yes it's never

2823
01:56:02,629 --> 01:55:57,920
been closed alan you've got to explain

2824
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:04,790
we've got to explain what you mean by

2825
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,000
this portal opened in 1946

2826
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,000
okay there was a

2827
01:56:14,870 --> 01:56:12,000
working and i must say that it is

2828
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:14,880
frowned upon by the official oto but it

2829
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:18,239
was out of an oto lodge run by

2830
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:21,840
jack parsons and participated in by l

2831
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:24,480
ron hubbard in his well let me enter

2832
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:26,480
interrupt just for a second now

2833
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:29,199
uh crowley himself

2834
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:32,000
upon hearing that this was being planned

2835
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:34,960
forbade them to do the babylon working

2836
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:38,400
well he also thought that uh that uh

2837
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:41,440
that hubbard was pulling the wool over

2838
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:42,560
uh

2839
01:56:47,109 --> 01:56:45,119
over parson's eyes parsons was a was a

2840
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:47,119
rocket scientist who blew himself up

2841
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:49,280
some years later but

2842
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:51,199
in his basement experimenting with

2843
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:53,440
rocket fuels apparently

2844
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:55,920
and uh we all know what happened to ron

2845
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:59,599
hubbard he became a deity of sorts

2846
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:00,639
but

2847
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:03,119
a very lucrative deity for some people

2848
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:04,800
but um

2849
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:06,080
um

2850
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:09,440
the the the the general premise here is

2851
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:11,520
that what gene is asking and it's a

2852
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:13,840
legitimate question for for for most

2853
01:57:17,430 --> 01:57:14,960
people

2854
01:57:19,189 --> 01:57:17,440
uh that are not acquainted with magic is

2855
01:57:22,550 --> 01:57:19,199
we have discussed this in depth on

2856
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:22,560
several shows so it's not it's not

2857
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:24,480
it's not rocket science for long time

2858
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:27,119
listeners but uh go ahead uh

2859
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:28,800
we are running out of time for this

2860
01:57:33,910 --> 01:57:31,119
segment let's pick up on the next

2861
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:33,920
segment go into it briefly and move on

2862
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:36,400
then alan greenfield gene steinberg

2863
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chris o'brien you're in the paradise

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so in response to the question to kind

2967
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:15,040
of catch people up on opening of the

2968
02:02:20,470 --> 02:02:18,560
portal 1946. alan go ahead

2969
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:20,480
okay there was

2970
02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:23,040
a group of people who lived in what was

2971
02:02:27,910 --> 02:02:25,520
called the parsonage named

2972
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:27,920
by the jack parsons

2973
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:29,280
it was in

2974
02:02:34,550 --> 02:02:32,400
what is that town that jpl is located in

2975
02:02:36,149 --> 02:02:34,560
california experts

2976
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,159
whatever the town

2977
02:02:39,189 --> 02:02:38,000
he and

2978
02:02:43,750 --> 02:02:39,199
hubbard

2979
02:02:47,270 --> 02:02:43,760
founder of scientology

2980
02:02:49,990 --> 02:02:47,280
and minor deity went out to the

2981
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:50,000
california desert uh but not far from

2982
02:02:57,189 --> 02:02:52,880
where adamski claims

2983
02:02:59,589 --> 02:02:57,199
his first big encounter with aliens

2984
02:03:01,629 --> 02:02:59,599
and they invoke

2985
02:03:03,990 --> 02:03:01,639
babylon

2986
02:03:06,390 --> 02:03:04,000
b-a-b-a-l-o-n it's

2987
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:06,400
the numerology of it is considered

2988
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:10,159
significant by followers of the thalemic

2989
02:03:13,750 --> 02:03:11,520
religion

2990
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:13,760
and they opened this portal with the

2991
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:15,520
purpose of

2992
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:17,840
creating a magical child

2993
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:20,480
i'm not going to go into the whole

2994
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:23,520
things back i will only say thank god i

2995
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:25,840
was born 10 months

2996
02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:28,880
after the working not nine months

2997
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:31,520
otherwise i would be tempted to say well

2998
02:03:36,149 --> 02:03:33,280
it worked but it was on the opposite

2999
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,159
coast but in any case

3000
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:38,560
they opened a

3001
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:40,960
portal to otherwear

3002
02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:43,119
don't ask me to define otherwear any

3003
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:46,960
more than to say probably in my opinion

3004
02:03:52,709 --> 02:03:49,920
another brain b-r-a-n-e

3005
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:52,719
in the sense that it the term is used in

3006
02:03:56,470 --> 02:03:54,960
the mini world's interpretation of

3007
02:03:57,430 --> 02:03:56,480
quantum mechanics

3008
02:03:59,270 --> 02:03:57,440
and just

3009
02:04:01,510 --> 02:03:59,280
they opened it

3010
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:01,520
something came through and shortly

3011
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:04,239
thereafter the modern era of flying

3012
02:04:08,709 --> 02:04:06,000
saucers began

3013
02:04:10,950 --> 02:04:08,719
very shortly thereafter the working went

3014
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:10,960
on for some time

3015
02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,360
but after the desert part of the working

3016
02:04:18,870 --> 02:04:15,520
it produced a

3017
02:04:21,270 --> 02:04:18,880
book that is much debated in occult

3018
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:21,280
circles but it also

3019
02:04:27,189 --> 02:04:24,480
produced a woman who obligingly was

3020
02:04:29,750 --> 02:04:27,199
willing to bear the magical child which

3021
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:29,760
she did her name was cameron and she has

3022
02:04:46,629 --> 02:04:30,639
a

3023
02:04:48,310 --> 02:04:46,639
they did not follow

3024
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:48,320
first of all crowley considered them to

3025
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:51,520
be rank amateurs i'm not sure how much

3026
02:04:57,030 --> 02:04:54,400
actual magical work aleister crowley did

3027
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:57,040
after world war one will say

3028
02:05:01,589 --> 02:04:59,040
after his american period

3029
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:01,599
but he certainly knew the the process

3030
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:03,520
and he did the elemental working which

3031
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:05,520
is a whole other story

3032
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:07,119
yeah well the point is

3033
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:09,520
you don't open a portal to other wear

3034
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:11,760
and not close it that's the equivalent

3035
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:12,800
of

3036
02:05:18,149 --> 02:05:14,480
opening up the

3037
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:18,159
core of a nuclear reactor for whatever

3038
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:20,800
reason you would do something like that

3039
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:23,199
and not closing it radiation will

3040
02:05:27,189 --> 02:05:25,360
continue to flow out of it killer

3041
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:27,199
radiation for

3042
02:05:31,589 --> 02:05:29,599
hundreds if not thousands of years asked

3043
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:31,599
the people of fukushima

3044
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:34,320
the ones with three eyes four eyes five

3045
02:05:38,390 --> 02:05:35,440
whatever

3046
02:05:39,350 --> 02:05:38,400
or that place in the ukraine uh in kiev

3047
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:39,360
whatever

3048
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:41,920
anyway noble chernobyl right

3049
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:42,880
um

3050
02:05:47,830 --> 02:05:45,840
it's it's pretty much the the same thing

3051
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:47,840
except it isn't necessarily something

3052
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:50,320
deadly but what seems to have flowed out

3053
02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:53,760
of that is the modern era of

3054
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,040
uh

3055
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:57,119
well what we will call the new age

3056
02:06:00,950 --> 02:05:59,360
phenomena and

3057
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:00,960
i don't think anybody has ever closed

3058
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:03,040
that portal they would have to go to the

3059
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:04,400
location

3060
02:06:09,189 --> 02:06:06,719
roughly speaking i mean there is a book

3061
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:09,199
on it called sex and rockets

3062
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:11,360
and uh

3063
02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:12,880
shouldn't be too hard to find it and

3064
02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:15,199
close that portal because it has

3065
02:06:21,109 --> 02:06:18,159
produced a lot of really weird effects

3066
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:21,119
you get local portals and there are some

3067
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,960
natural portals

3068
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:25,520
around the world that

3069
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,239
have local fame and

3070
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:30,560
world fame and that's something that i i

3071
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:33,840
do write about uh more than occasionally

3072
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:35,760
but this is one that was deliberately

3073
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,920
opened and i have done that too but i

3074
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:39,119
closed them

3075
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:41,520
um i've done it experimentally to see

3076
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:43,119
what happens

3077
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:45,119
usually with a group of people who know

3078
02:06:48,709 --> 02:06:47,520
absolutely bub gifts as they say in

3079
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,719
italian

3080
02:06:53,589 --> 02:06:51,119
absolutely bub kiss about enoki and

3081
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:53,599
workings or whatever and then i asked

3082
02:06:59,270 --> 02:06:56,639
them what their experience was and then

3083
02:07:00,149 --> 02:06:59,280
i read them the classical experience

3084
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,159
from

3085
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:02,639
crowley's the vision and the voice which

3086
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,520
probably in my opinion is his masterwork

3087
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,360
and um

3088
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:09,920
maybe his only really good work

3089
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:17,750
no no no no not the book

3090
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:20,000
the cards and the book of thought is the

3091
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:21,520
instruction manual

3092
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:25,440
well yeah but uh having been a reader

3093
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:28,960
since before i met jean

3094
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:31,520
i can tell you that the cards speak

3095
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:34,079
themselves and oh yeah you eventually

3096
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,400
get beyond any book

3097
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:38,400
i mean i started out with weight and the

3098
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,440
weight

3099
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:41,840
book but i don't use any book

3100
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:44,239
now i you know that the cards

3101
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:46,639
speak like sentences and they've got

3102
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,960
their own voice well this one is

3103
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:51,119
pamela coleman smith who did the the

3104
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:53,040
white deck uh it ought to be called the

3105
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:55,520
pamela coleman smith deck because she

3106
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:56,719
she

3107
02:08:01,830 --> 02:07:59,599
created these designs that evoke

3108
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:01,840
from from the reader

3109
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:04,000
and the same thing is true of lady

3110
02:08:09,910 --> 02:08:07,199
harris she um i'm sure crowley had his

3111
02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:09,920
critique but the deck she designed was

3112
02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:12,639
clearly her talent not his his artistic

3113
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:14,400
talent was

3114
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:17,440
not involved was much lesser and not

3115
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:20,480
involved in the creation of that deck so

3116
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:22,800
i have copy zero of that deck in that

3117
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:25,119
book by the way

3118
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:26,800
uh

3119
02:08:32,629 --> 02:08:29,840
copy zero okay correct yeah the author's

3120
02:08:34,310 --> 02:08:32,639
proof copy with the special boards and

3121
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:34,320
the special binding

3122
02:08:38,709 --> 02:08:36,239
the handwritten magical left-hand

3123
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:38,719
introduction by crowley and uh

3124
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:41,280
hand-painted plates by both crowley and

3125
02:08:46,149 --> 02:08:43,360
lady harris

3126
02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:46,159
wow that's really nice i i don't know

3127
02:08:50,310 --> 02:08:47,840
that it would read any better that way

3128
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:50,320
but uh no it doesn't it's just you know

3129
02:08:55,030 --> 02:08:53,199
it's quite it's an interesting talisman

3130
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:55,040
yeah i would i would say that that that

3131
02:08:59,430 --> 02:08:56,719
is precisely what you've got there

3132
02:09:02,069 --> 02:08:59,440
you've got a talisman for that uh

3133
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:02,079
as opposed to when i issue free

3134
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illuminous charters i say which are

3135
02:09:07,270 --> 02:09:05,679
advitem

3136
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,280
that is for life

3137
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:09,679
so that i don't exercise any control

3138
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over anyone who

3139
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:13,920
receives a charter i say well think of

3140
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:15,840
this not just as a charter but as a

3141
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:18,880
talisman right because once activated it

3142
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:20,159
tends to

3143
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draw

3144
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:22,480
its own

3145
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:24,560
uh spiritual energy

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freedom is a two-edged sword

3147
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:30,159
that was parse uh a collection of

3148
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:31,520
parsons

3149
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:34,639
uncopyrighted stuff that

3150
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,470
that's william gary keith breeze look

3151
02:09:46,550 --> 02:09:44,639
him up he's he's in the wikipedia but

3152
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,560
then so am i so

3153
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:48,480
well you know we had a listing for the

3154
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:51,280
power cast on wikipedia and it went down

3155
02:09:55,109 --> 02:09:53,360
partly because they said some of the

3156
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:55,119
information we had on there had not been

3157
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,440
authenticated properly i want to put

3158
02:10:01,109 --> 02:09:59,280
that thing back up again

3159
02:10:03,430 --> 02:10:01,119
but then you know as you know

3160
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when you put things up on wikipedia then

3161
02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:05,760
some of the weirdos out there decide

3162
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they will present their own versions of

3163
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it yeah that's why i'm happy i don't

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have a listing

3165
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nor do i we've got chris o'brien and

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gene steinberg we're featuring alan

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greenfield with the illumination over

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his face as you see in his skype avatar

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and that's what he's looking like right

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3281
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so alan greenfield is

3282
02:15:11,109 --> 02:15:09,280
he's doing some extra work on this side

3283
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,119
as an echo chamber

3284
02:15:15,830 --> 02:15:13,360
chamber chamber chamber

3285
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talking about bow bow bow

3286
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i'm in the caves and i want to give you

3287
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this sub interview with richard shaver

3288
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shaver shavers dick what do you think

3289
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about this this this this dick he

3290
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doesn't smell so good

3291
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well i guess he's

3292
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he's dead and buried here in the caves

3293
02:15:38,629 --> 02:15:36,239
he died what 40 years ago is it that

3294
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:38,639
long ago you went out and visited him

3295
02:15:42,629 --> 02:15:40,239
once did you not

3296
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i interviewed him

3297
02:15:46,709 --> 02:15:44,800
he actually died

3298
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:46,719
in 1975

3299
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:50,639
and i interviewed him probably a year or

3300
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more before that

3301
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:54,239
well

3302
02:15:59,430 --> 02:15:56,960
i never met him in person

3303
02:16:01,830 --> 02:15:59,440
but uh we had an extensive

3304
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correspondence and he sent me a bunch of

3305
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:04,400
his rocks which i gave

3306
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to my friend terry who

3307
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:09,599
i have no idea where he might be these

3308
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:11,440
days but uh

3309
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:13,119
because he's always into some kind of

3310
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:15,360
mischief but he's still looking for the

3311
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,280
rocks they didn't arrive

3312
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:19,760
no he got the rocks i gave gave them to

3313
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:20,880
him

3314
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:22,880
you know something funny here you won't

3315
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:25,520
believe this back in the early 70s

3316
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:27,119
he was sending us the rocks these are

3317
02:16:30,709 --> 02:16:28,960
rock books supposedly

3318
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:30,719
crystalline

3319
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,760
means of recording information embedded

3320
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:35,599
in these rocks and of course

3321
02:16:38,629 --> 02:16:37,359
what he did then talking about in the

3322
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:38,639
70s

3323
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:40,080
it's something

3324
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:42,960
kind of like we can do now with

3325
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:45,519
storage on silicon chips

3326
02:16:51,669 --> 02:16:49,040
absolutely i i even said that uh

3327
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:51,679
many years ago although i you know i did

3328
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:53,760
not have the i mean the technology did

3329
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:56,479
not yet exist but i i said

3330
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:59,359
don't discount this as

3331
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:01,439
nothing because the the ones he sent me

3332
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:03,359
were quite impressive he also sent me

3333
02:17:09,270 --> 02:17:06,000
some slides i was able to

3334
02:17:11,190 --> 02:17:09,280
look at you know slices of the rock

3335
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:11,200
books as he called them

3336
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:14,960
if you had a proper viewer i said

3337
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:17,920
these might come out not just as

3338
02:17:23,349 --> 02:17:20,880
pictures but they might come out as

3339
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:23,359
three-dimensional holographic pictures

3340
02:17:26,549 --> 02:17:24,479
and

3341
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:26,559
that may well be the case i i don't

3342
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:30,000
think there is a world inside the earth

3343
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:31,200
but i think

3344
02:17:33,669 --> 02:17:32,399
there are

3345
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:33,679
portals

3346
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:37,120
that begin with caves and

3347
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:39,840
these are portals that some of which are

3348
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:42,080
fairly well known the purgatory of st

3349
02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:44,639
patrick in ireland is

3350
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:47,679
a well-known tourist destination and one

3351
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:49,599
can make various arguments about them

3352
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:52,399
but it it fits in with the whole

3353
02:17:57,669 --> 02:17:54,240
shaver mythos which of course doesn't

3354
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:57,679
start with shaver i mean it it goes back

3355
02:18:04,629 --> 02:17:59,840
at least to the 19th century as a

3356
02:18:07,589 --> 02:18:04,639
coherent mythos from balwa linton's uh

3357
02:18:10,309 --> 02:18:07,599
brill the power of the coming race and

3358
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:10,319
lesser-known works like

3359
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:13,120
emerson's the smoky god and others

3360
02:18:19,669 --> 02:18:16,719
there's a there's a a common notion of

3361
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:19,679
a world within the earth

3362
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:22,639
i i think that that has more to do with

3363
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:25,359
uh the things we were discussing earlier

3364
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:28,160
about fairy hills and so forth which is

3365
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:30,880
basically portals to other wear

3366
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:32,399
you know very interesting here i was

3367
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:34,880
mentioning it and then we went astray a

3368
02:18:38,230 --> 02:18:36,000
little bit

3369
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:38,240
about these rocks it got to a point

3370
02:18:43,429 --> 02:18:40,639
where geneva and i

3371
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:43,439
could actually see things in those rocks

3372
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,519
i don't know if it was a giant rorsatch

3373
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,920
test or not but we got to see some real

3374
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:49,519
things there

3375
02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:51,200
and i

3376
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:53,920
felt that shaver probably was onto

3377
02:18:56,309 --> 02:18:55,280
something

3378
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:56,319
probably

3379
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:58,880
wasn't quite what he thought it was

3380
02:19:04,230 --> 02:19:01,280
but certainly he was onto something

3381
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:04,240
i easily saw what he said this was

3382
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:07,200
you know depicting more or less so

3383
02:19:09,589 --> 02:19:08,399
it was

3384
02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:09,599
i would say

3385
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:11,760
well you know if something isn't

3386
02:19:17,629 --> 02:19:14,240
absolutely crystal clear

3387
02:19:19,509 --> 02:19:17,639
oh christopher's picture just came up

3388
02:19:22,469 --> 02:19:19,519
hallelujah

3389
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,429
that's an ogeo secret hat yes

3390
02:19:29,830 --> 02:19:27,599
you get that in many many years

3391
02:19:32,709 --> 02:19:29,840
yeah you got it in the ninth degree

3392
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:32,719
that's what they give you it's the big

3393
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:35,519
the central secret is

3394
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:42,469
yeah jim mars has nothing on me

3395
02:19:47,669 --> 02:19:43,920
all right

3396
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:47,679
okay so anyway yeah i see i could see

3397
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:50,800
pictures in them as well so um

3398
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:52,800
i don't think that's unique and i don't

3399
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:55,680
think that it's an inkblot type thing

3400
02:20:00,830 --> 02:19:57,520
there's something there

3401
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:00,840
whether it represents an ancient

3402
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:03,600
pre-civilization or not i don't know

3403
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:05,280
don't you think it's a little paradilia

3404
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:07,359
mixed in with uh little hierophanies

3405
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:10,640
mixed in with a little wishful thinking

3406
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:12,880
uh almost certainly

3407
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:14,960
but no rorschach

3408
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,560
right yeah well you got to have

3409
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:18,479
something there to pick up on in order

3410
02:20:26,150 --> 02:20:21,840
for it to uh remind you of something

3411
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:26,160
yes i i understand and i don't i don't

3412
02:20:31,030 --> 02:20:28,640
consider myself bound by any of the

3413
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:31,040
oaths that i took in the oto because

3414
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:32,800
they were based on

3415
02:20:37,429 --> 02:20:34,800
you know oaths or a two-way street and

3416
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:37,439
they're based on a false premise so i

3417
02:20:42,309 --> 02:20:40,160
i speak overtly of the subject when i

3418
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:42,319
speak about it at all

3419
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:44,720
chris any more questions

3420
02:20:49,670 --> 02:20:48,080
wow we've got we've got a ton um

3421
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:49,680
i think this is a really good one

3422
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,399
another question from william strathman

3423
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:54,640
which i think is uh interesting

3424
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,720
in light of our conversation and he's

3425
02:21:01,590 --> 02:20:58,720
wondering if alan you've ever had an

3426
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:01,600
instantaneous spectacular impossible to

3427
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:02,640
mistake

3428
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:05,120
answer to your conjuring and if so would

3429
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:08,080
you care to give a description

3430
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,030
absolutely many times

3431
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,439
one really good one i was mentioning the

3432
02:21:29,910 --> 02:21:27,439
enochian workings which i was doing

3433
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:29,920
partly as an experiment

3434
02:21:36,469 --> 02:21:33,040
since i was the inductor

3435
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:39,190
bring a group of people who had little

3436
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:42,080
to no experience in that area

3437
02:21:51,270 --> 02:21:47,349
into contact with

3438
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:51,280
another realm of reality and there were

3439
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:52,720
side effects and one of the most

3440
02:21:58,950 --> 02:21:56,640
spectacular side effects was

3441
02:22:01,830 --> 02:21:58,960
again we changed people

3442
02:22:03,030 --> 02:22:01,840
out so that so that there was you know

3443
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:03,040
not no

3444
02:22:07,830 --> 02:22:05,359
cribbing because

3445
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:07,840
uh i wanted to keep it as scientific as

3446
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:10,560
possible we were in a room

3447
02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:12,479
and let me try to describe that as

3448
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:14,399
briefly as i can

3449
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:16,080
it was a room in our

3450
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,240
our overpriced temple that had two doors

3451
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:22,720
i stood the large tyler at one door

3452
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:25,200
absolutely reliable person and when i

3453
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:27,680
got through doing the invocation i stood

3454
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:30,640
at the other door both doors were locked

3455
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:33,520
the group of people were in a

3456
02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:37,040
semi-circle the ostensible scrire

3457
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:39,520
although everyone scribed was sitting in

3458
02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:40,479
front of

3459
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:43,200
a show stone

3460
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:44,640
facing me

3461
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:46,880
and after i did the invocation they

3462
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,590
what you might call a trans channel sort

3463
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:53,280
of thing but it also involves some

3464
02:22:58,469 --> 02:22:54,399
traveling

3465
02:23:00,630 --> 02:22:58,479
anyway uh afterwards what i usually did

3466
02:23:02,469 --> 02:23:00,640
uh we did the

3467
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:02,479
30 ethers in

3468
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,479
40 weeks um you know we took off for

3469
02:23:11,190 --> 02:23:08,240
uh the uh

3470
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:11,200
holidays but uh otherwise it was every

3471
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:12,240
week

3472
02:23:17,190 --> 02:23:14,960
um i would ask them what your experience

3473
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:17,200
was and then i would read them you know

3474
02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:20,160
the uh the section of the vision and the

3475
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:21,840
voice

3476
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:24,000
and uh that uh

3477
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:26,880
dealt with that particular ether

3478
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:29,200
and um

3479
02:23:34,230 --> 02:23:32,000
on this particular occasion i i well on

3480
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:34,240
every occasion i probably asked

3481
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:36,399
something to the effect well does

3482
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:38,319
anybody else have anything to say any

3483
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:40,720
observations or whatever

3484
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:43,040
and several of the people said yeah who

3485
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:44,960
was the guy walking around the room

3486
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:50,309
and i said there was

3487
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:53,520
no and i stopped myself

3488
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:56,720
because clearly we had invoked an entity

3489
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:59,600
that some of the people in the room

3490
02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:01,040
had seen

3491
02:24:04,230 --> 02:24:01,840
it

3492
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:04,240
wasn't there after because i always did

3493
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:06,880
an exorcism before i even got to that q

3494
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:08,720
and a period

3495
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:12,720
had i known about that particular aspect

3496
02:24:16,309 --> 02:24:15,120
there's no way anyone could have entered

3497
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:16,319
the room

3498
02:24:23,830 --> 02:24:21,920
visible to me throughout the experience

3499
02:24:24,790 --> 02:24:23,840
got alan greenfield gene and chris

3500
02:24:29,860 --> 02:24:24,800
you're in

3501
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3502
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hi this is don ecker and you are tuned

3606
02:28:55,990 --> 02:28:54,399
in to the paracast

3607
02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:56,000
let me tell you what you're going to

3608
02:29:01,990 --> 02:28:59,040
hear stuff here that you probably won't

3609
02:29:03,290 --> 02:29:02,000
hear anywhere else hear that george

3610
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:03,300
snorri

3611
02:29:06,469 --> 02:29:04,479
[Music]

3612
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:06,479
so alan greenfield was starting one of

3613
02:29:11,830 --> 02:29:08,640
his famed long answers

3614
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:11,840
and we ran out of time alan

3615
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:14,319
and not only that but

3616
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:17,040
it was visible only to certain people

3617
02:29:21,429 --> 02:29:19,280
which is uh common with any kind of

3618
02:29:23,510 --> 02:29:21,439
apparition so yes

3619
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:23,520
i invoked

3620
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:24,319
i

3621
02:29:29,590 --> 02:29:28,319
and ether

3622
02:29:31,349 --> 02:29:29,600
it was

3623
02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:31,359
but something came through and

3624
02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:34,319
manifested for several of the people in

3625
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:35,600
the

3626
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:36,800
circle

3627
02:29:42,389 --> 02:29:39,600
and disappeared upon the exorcism and

3628
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:42,399
putting the lights back on and uh but

3629
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:45,359
was it truly banished and terminated

3630
02:29:47,429 --> 02:29:46,240
yeah

3631
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:47,439
i'm good

3632
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:49,120
i mean

3633
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:53,920
before i ever did an enochian working

3634
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:56,800
and would not have done one because i

3635
02:30:02,070 --> 02:29:58,399
was in a

3636
02:30:04,230 --> 02:30:02,080
lodge which the previous lodge master

3637
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:04,240
and founding lodge master had always

3638
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:05,200
said

3639
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:08,240
never work with a nokia until you've

3640
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:11,280
attained at least the fifth degree

3641
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:12,720
so

3642
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:18,800
this is serious stuff and i need to know

3643
02:30:24,790 --> 02:30:22,399
how to control it before i ever try to

3644
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:24,800
make it work is there anything you can

3645
02:30:28,550 --> 02:30:25,760
tell

3646
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:28,560
our listeners to warn them off

3647
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:31,040
about maybe trying too hard to invoke

3648
02:30:37,190 --> 02:30:33,920
things to try magic

3649
02:30:38,309 --> 02:30:37,200
anything they should watch out for

3650
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:38,319
yes

3651
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:40,800
a lot

3652
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:44,399
it's simply a case of this is serious

3653
02:30:47,429 --> 02:30:45,439
stuff

3654
02:30:48,950 --> 02:30:47,439
that when you talk about it because it

3655
02:30:52,070 --> 02:30:48,960
is utre

3656
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:52,080
it tends to take on a

3657
02:30:57,190 --> 02:30:55,200
marvel universe

3658
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:57,200
surreal

3659
02:31:01,990 --> 02:30:58,880
effect

3660
02:31:03,830 --> 02:31:02,000
and uh to quote the gil scott herron

3661
02:31:06,309 --> 02:31:03,840
song there ain't no such thing as a

3662
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:06,319
superman and if there were

3663
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:07,600
i'm not it

3664
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:08,399
and

3665
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:10,560
your listeners are not it

3666
02:31:15,830 --> 02:31:12,960
it takes a lot of training

3667
02:31:19,190 --> 02:31:15,840
the the the the the easiest danger to

3668
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:19,200
mention is if you try a lot of magical

3669
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:21,600
stuff and are unprepared for it

3670
02:31:26,389 --> 02:31:24,479
you will become a very very very

3671
02:31:29,910 --> 02:31:26,399
messed up person

3672
02:31:33,110 --> 02:31:29,920
but if you actually get results

3673
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:33,120
and have not adequately prepared for it

3674
02:31:38,469 --> 02:31:36,479
it can be the most frightening and

3675
02:31:42,150 --> 02:31:38,479
mind-bending in the wrong sense of that

3676
02:31:43,270 --> 02:31:42,160
term experience of your life what you

3677
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:43,280
wish for

3678
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:47,359
you may get

3679
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:48,880
exactly that and then what are you going

3680
02:31:53,429 --> 02:31:51,120
to do with it there's that tendency on

3681
02:31:55,030 --> 02:31:53,439
the part of beginners and even people

3682
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:55,040
that have been around for a long time

3683
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:56,960
but just sort of dabble

3684
02:32:01,990 --> 02:31:58,720
to think of this as

3685
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:02,000
kind of ouija board gameplay it's not

3686
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:05,359
the the term cavalier should never

3687
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:08,160
be able to be applied to your efforts

3688
02:32:12,309 --> 02:32:10,800
absolutely since we have about five

3689
02:32:14,070 --> 02:32:12,319
minutes were there christopher were

3690
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:14,080
there any questions from other people

3691
02:32:17,429 --> 02:32:15,760
because i noticed you only ask questions

3692
02:32:19,910 --> 02:32:17,439
from that one person interesting

3693
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:19,920
questions but well and i haven't really

3694
02:32:23,750 --> 02:32:21,680
got started i mean there's a bunch of

3695
02:32:25,750 --> 02:32:23,760
questions from mr strathman here's one

3696
02:32:28,230 --> 02:32:25,760
from han he's one of our

3697
02:32:30,389 --> 02:32:28,240
dedicated posters he's been uh here at

3698
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:30,399
the at the paracast forums for seven

3699
02:32:32,870 --> 02:32:31,280
years

3700
02:32:34,870 --> 02:32:32,880
he's one of those few individuals that

3701
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:34,880
have as many likes almost as he has

3702
02:32:39,670 --> 02:32:37,359
messages and that's always an indication

3703
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:39,680
of a of a real good thinker and someone

3704
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:42,399
asked great questions this is pretty cut

3705
02:32:45,910 --> 02:32:44,080
and dried i think um he's really

3706
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:45,920
interested in your views on atlantis

3707
02:32:52,870 --> 02:32:50,160
lemuria and any sort of an antediluvian

3708
02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:52,880
cultures and mythos that uh that we have

3709
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:54,160
where do you come down on that and do

3710
02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:56,479
you think that the real evidence is ever

3711
02:33:00,710 --> 02:32:58,960
going to be discovered by archaeologists

3712
02:33:03,190 --> 02:33:00,720
okay that's a good question and it's

3713
02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:03,200
also a synchronicity because literally

3714
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:05,760
immediately before we went on the air i

3715
02:33:11,190 --> 02:33:08,319
was working on my blog of the day and

3716
02:33:12,389 --> 02:33:11,200
the subject is lemuria or moo the lost

3717
02:33:15,830 --> 02:33:12,399
continent

3718
02:33:18,469 --> 02:33:15,840
i think that some of this may have to do

3719
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:18,479
with what was when i was a kid an

3720
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:21,040
outlandish theory continental drift

3721
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:24,880
which is now orthodoxy which shows that

3722
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:26,640
science can change

3723
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:28,000
and i

3724
02:33:35,030 --> 02:33:31,520
don't think that a continent called

3725
02:33:36,230 --> 02:33:35,040
atlantis or a continent called lomuri

3726
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:36,240
existed

3727
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:39,280
but what i do think is based

3728
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:42,319
on extensive evidence uh

3729
02:33:47,670 --> 02:33:46,240
charles hapgood and peter tompkins being

3730
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:47,680
among my

3731
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:49,200
best guides

3732
02:33:53,429 --> 02:33:50,960
that there were

3733
02:33:58,070 --> 02:33:53,439
literally prehistoric

3734
02:33:59,590 --> 02:33:58,080
perhaps pre-ice age world civilizations

3735
02:34:01,190 --> 02:33:59,600
that existed

3736
02:34:03,429 --> 02:34:01,200
probably

3737
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:03,439
underwent floods at the end of the ice

3738
02:34:09,429 --> 02:34:06,800
age which obliterated most

3739
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:09,439
of what would be above the surface of

3740
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:10,720
the water

3741
02:34:15,670 --> 02:34:13,920
but whose cultural legacy can be found

3742
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:15,680
in things like pyramids all over the

3743
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,720
world

3744
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:18,720
so i think that that while the

3745
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:21,200
continents as such

3746
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:23,760
probably never existed the the world

3747
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:26,560
jigsaw puzzle fits together very nicely

3748
02:34:32,790 --> 02:34:29,600
into one continent so i do think that

3749
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:32,800
the stories about those continents

3750
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:35,760
are probably true stories in the sense

3751
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:36,720
that

3752
02:34:41,910 --> 02:34:39,520
there was a world civilization

3753
02:34:45,190 --> 02:34:41,920
that pre-existed what we consider

3754
02:34:48,070 --> 02:34:45,200
recorded civilization uh and

3755
02:34:50,550 --> 02:34:48,080
there is a great deal of evidence for it

3756
02:34:53,750 --> 02:34:50,560
not much evidence against it that that

3757
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,760
is my uh my notion on that

3758
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:56,080
well here's a follow-up that i have and

3759
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:57,840
that would be there's a there's been a

3760
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:00,000
lot of controversy and

3761
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,399
a lot of whispering and conspiratorial

3762
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:04,560
uh amusings about

3763
02:35:10,309 --> 02:35:08,080
um antarctica and and some of the

3764
02:35:11,270 --> 02:35:10,319
fairly interesting uh personages that

3765
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:11,280
have been

3766
02:35:14,870 --> 02:35:12,960
visiting down there buzz aldrin the head

3767
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:14,880
of the eastern orthodox church

3768
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:17,040
i think wasn't john kerry there during

3769
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:19,600
the election there's been quite a bit of

3770
02:35:23,030 --> 02:35:21,200
rumblings about antarctica where do you

3771
02:35:25,590 --> 02:35:23,040
come down on some sort of hidden

3772
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:25,600
civilization or evidence of of some sort

3773
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:28,479
of civilization there this may be one of

3774
02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:31,680
your lost continents it is a continent

3775
02:35:38,070 --> 02:35:35,359
it has ice covering it because of the

3776
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:38,080
position of the poles now i don't think

3777
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:40,800
the position of the polls is the same as

3778
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:42,399
it was in

3779
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:45,040
prehistoric times there's been some

3780
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:48,160
shifting not necessarily topsy-turvy but

3781
02:35:51,910 --> 02:35:49,520
some shifting

3782
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:51,920
if there was a world civilization they

3783
02:35:57,830 --> 02:35:54,880
certainly knew antarctica because there

3784
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:57,840
are maps of antarctica ice free with

3785
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,240
flowing rivers and by the way with

3786
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:02,800
global warming rivers are starting to

3787
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:06,000
flow in antarctica even as we speak

3788
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:08,800
so yes i think that probably the that

3789
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:11,280
was not the exclusive ancient

3790
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:13,760
civilization but in a way that is

3791
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:16,479
lemuria alan tell our listeners if they

3792
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:18,080
want to know more about the things that

3793
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:19,120
you do

3794
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,359
where can they check out first of all

3795
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there is now an edition from paranoia

3796
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3797
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3798
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3799
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:34,640
the men in black combined do that and

3800
02:36:38,950 --> 02:36:37,280
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3801
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:38,960
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3802
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3808
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3809
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3810
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:58,960
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3811
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:00,960
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3812
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3813
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3814
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3815
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3816
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know there are thousands of entries

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3818
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3819
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3820
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:27,439
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3827
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3828
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3850
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3851
02:38:40,389 --> 02:38:38,000
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3852
02:38:43,670 --> 02:38:40,399
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3853
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:43,680
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3854
02:38:47,680 --> 02:39:03,510
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3855
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3856
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:09,280
and christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible

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incorporated